BT - This Binary Universe.

jyoty · Post by **jyoty** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 2:12 am

aliasA wrote:
I think this album officially puts BT way ahead of anyone like aphex twin. And i love aphex twin.

whoah that's a pretty extreme statement

nuperspective · Post by **nuperspective** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 2:25 am

b0unce wrote:you make an interesting point , nuper

aphex gives nothing away, but he doesnt have to, no one does I suppose but its nice when they do - I'll settle for just being able to listen to his stuff. I dunno....I'm always dubious of any art or craft where it seems the emphasis is on the technology used in its creation and not the art itself, the end product, the picture, the tune.

and I said ARTICLES, not just strictly INTERVIEWS. even third parties just writing about him (no interview) - its all tech tech tech I noticed....

"Its not like he walking around with t-shirts with a company name on them"

classy.

thats a fair point.

i dont have a problem with the tech side of things i mean without it i wouldnt be able to make music - i cant play a note.

but also in the same vein in the aphex interview he desperately make the point he wants a synth manufacturer [roland] to allow him to design a synth for them. where to you draw the line between artistic merit or marketing hype. no doubt bt has done somethings that make think 'cheezy', but if someone offered me a million to wear a couple of t-shirts and use some controllers. where do i sign up [hell id advertise for halliburton or be a poster boy for gay condoms] for that and i defy anybody on this forum to to say they wouldnt.

in this case i think we have two extremes [or opposites] of music makers

anyway i dont want the thread to go into a aphex vs bt thread is was quite interesting talking about the music and practice of what he has achieved.

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 2:25 am

ya its bold as hell...
bold as hell I say. lets not even get into it (aphex discog racing through mind)

anyways, on the topic of electronic virtuosity ... please , please check out
venetian snares "A Giant Alien Force More Violent And Sick Than Anything You Can Imagine "

its a 15 minute master-piece, truely cinematic and absolutely original.
I googled it, and I think you can buy it (mp3 download style) here
http://www.lavamus.com/Album/18694/Vene ... n_Imagine/

and this wikipedia entry,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Giant_Al ... an_Imagine

sorry for hijacking - but we are kind of on the topic of genius here...

nuperspective · Post by **nuperspective** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 2:29 am

come on guys lets get back to discussing the music. it makes a change having a thread on the forum that acually discusses something like this. it makes a change from the OT nonsense.

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 2:30 am

nuperspective wrote: but if someone offered me a million to wear a couple of t-shirts and use some controllers. where do i sign up [hell id advertise for halliburton or be a poster boy for gay condoms] for that and i defy anybody on this forum to to say they wouldnt.

ya, but we're not filthy rich as it is....its GREED thats really offensive, not strictly just the endorsement thing. a nobody can advertise, cos thats the best they can do...but when a somebody advertises thats just money-whoring, imo.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 2:44 am

b0unce wrote:anyways, on the topic of electronic virtuosity ... please , please check out
venetian snares "A Giant Alien Force More Violent And Sick Than Anything You Can Imagine "

Godammit bounce! you're an arrogant prick, but you have great taste in music!

kooki415 · Post by **kooki415** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 2:45 am

benjaminFlack wrote: he mentioned that in the third track, the internal locus, you might hear something that sounds like granular synthesis. it's not. it's the drums/percussion from the entire track mashed down into a one bar loop.

you do understand that time stretching is a granular method right?

kooki415 · Post by **kooki415** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 2:55 am

oh, and i disagree. this doesnt compare to AFX or squarepusher at all. sure its pwetty. and glitchy. but its still not as complex as the aforementioned. besides. that stuff came out what.. 10 years ago? if anything this reminds me of kelp. but even that sounds more inspired.

the only thing i can find "better" in this is a more glossy and slick mix. but its so glossy it sounds dead.

i highly encourage those who think this is groundbreaking to get out more.

Phokus · Post by **Phokus** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:10 am

This album is beautiful stuff. Who cares if it does or does not compare to Aphex twin or Squarepusher. Its called music, which in my book is called "art". WHy can't some of you just enjoy the music for what its worth, and stop comparing the artist. It makes the experience much less enjoyable. The way you listen, is a reflection of how you percieve life itself. If you compare and judge everything, your gonna end up old and jaded really soon, if you are not already there. All things said, pick up this album if you enjoy some beautiful art, bottom line.

robtronik · Post by **robtronik** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:43 am

I'm glad to see that I could spawn a thread that has over 1000 views, lots of replies and isn't political.

That being said, I think what I like most about this album is that it just feels closer to a personal expression. The last album felt like it was intended for something - pop recogntion, or bigger sales, or whatnot. Whereas this one is put together in the name of the tracks. It defies convention (in the same way that Underworld does, IMO. Or even Orbital) and lets the music unfold according to its own logic. There are few rough spots in there IMO (where a transition feels a bit crammed), but even then, its all good because it contrasts the elegant unfolding of the music.

And it does make you chill out/feel good when you listen to it.

Props to BT. Love it.

rob.

nuperspective · Post by **nuperspective** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:43 am

Phokus wrote:This album is beautiful stuff. Who cares if it does or does not compare to Aphex twin or Squarepusher. Its called music, which in my book is called "art". WHy can't some of you just enjoy the music for what its worth, and stop comparing the artist. It makes the experience much less enjoyable. The way you listen, is a reflection of how you percieve life itself. If you compare and judge everything, your gonna end up old and jaded really soon, if you are not already there. All things said, pick up this album if you enjoy some beautiful art, bottom line.

amen

kooki415 · Post by **kooki415** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:45 am

Phokus wrote:This album is beautiful stuff. Who cares if it does or does not compare to Aphex twin or Squarepusher. Its called music, which in my book is called "art". WHy can't some of you just enjoy the music for what its worth, and stop comparing the artist. It makes the experience much less enjoyable. The way you listen, is a reflection of how you percieve life itself. If you compare and judge everything, your gonna end up old and jaded really soon, if you are not already there. All things said, pick up this album if you enjoy some beautiful art, bottom line.

sure. why bother? might as well drink box wine, play casio keyboards, drive a ford pinto, and listen to BT for the rest of your life and never question it or bother to look for anything of quality.

ignorance is bliss no?

nuperspective · Post by **nuperspective** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:13 am

kooki415 wrote:
Phokus wrote:This album is beautiful stuff. Who cares if it does or does not compare to Aphex twin or Squarepusher. Its called music, which in my book is called "art". WHy can't some of you just enjoy the music for what its worth, and stop comparing the artist. It makes the experience much less enjoyable. The way you listen, is a reflection of how you percieve life itself. If you compare and judge everything, your gonna end up old and jaded really soon, if you are not already there. All things said, pick up this album if you enjoy some beautiful art, bottom line.
sure. why bother? might as well drink box wine, play casio keyboards, drive a ford pinto, and listen to BT for the rest of your life and never question it or bother to look for anything of quality.

ignorance is bliss no?

yawn.

aliasA · Post by **aliasA** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:47 am

nuperspective wrote:
kooki415 wrote:
Phokus wrote:This album is beautiful stuff. Who cares if it does or does not compare to Aphex twin or Squarepusher. Its called music, which in my book is called "art". WHy can't some of you just enjoy the music for what its worth, and stop comparing the artist. It makes the experience much less enjoyable. The way you listen, is a reflection of how you percieve life itself. If you compare and judge everything, your gonna end up old and jaded really soon, if you are not already there. All things said, pick up this album if you enjoy some beautiful art, bottom line.
sure. why bother? might as well drink box wine, play casio keyboards, drive a ford pinto, and listen to BT for the rest of your life and never question it or bother to look for anything of quality.

ignorance is bliss no?
2nd
yawn.

robtronik · Post by **robtronik** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:04 am

kooki415 wrote:
Phokus wrote:This album is beautiful stuff. Who cares if it does or does not compare to Aphex twin or Squarepusher. Its called music, which in my book is called "art". WHy can't some of you just enjoy the music for what its worth, and stop comparing the artist. It makes the experience much less enjoyable. The way you listen, is a reflection of how you percieve life itself. If you compare and judge everything, your gonna end up old and jaded really soon, if you are not already there. All things said, pick up this album if you enjoy some beautiful art, bottom line.
sure. why bother? might as well drink box wine, play casio keyboards, drive a ford pinto, and listen to BT for the rest of your life and never question it or bother to look for anything of quality.

ignorance is bliss no?

BOOOO-RRRINNNG.

rob.