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[ewistrand]

Absynth update looks kinda weak... Mostly stuff to make it more "Kore" compatible IMO.

Tarekith :)

You knew I'd show up pimping eventually...

The Absynth upgrade has a lot more going for it than the KORE style browser (which is fluff, IMO). The morphing oscillators are great (and, you can finally use subfolders in your library folders. I have all 1000+ waves of the Architecture waveforms in my library). The sync granular mode can be cool. Any slot besides the oscillators and the effects can be either a filter, a ring modulator or a frequency shifter. Each channel has separate levels in the effects if you don't want to use the combined signal. The audio ins have an auto trigger (no more holding down a note). Stuff like that.

ew

[Digi V]

massive- sounds great.

[b0unce]

with native instruments reputation, as a new user I wouldnt buy their products no matter how good they sounded or looked on paper - until I was positive theres no really annoying bugs or incompatabilities with my hardware......which takes them ages by the looks of things

[DeadlyKungFu]

with native instruments reputation, as a new user I wouldnt buy their products no matter how good they sounded or looked on paper - until I was positive theres no really annoying bugs or incompatabilities with my hardware......which takes them ages by the looks of things

You say the same thing about Live.

[Tarekith]

You knew I'd show up pimping eventually...

The Absynth upgrade has a lot more going for it than the KORE style browser (which is fluff, IMO). The morphing oscillators are great (and, you can finally use subfolders in your library folders. I have all 1000+ waves of the Architecture waveforms in my library). The sync granular mode can be cool. Any slot besides the oscillators and the effects can be either a filter, a ring modulator or a frequency shifter. Each channel has separate levels in the effects if you don't want to use the combined signal. The audio ins have an auto trigger (no more holding down a note). Stuff like that.
ew

LOL, just waiting for you to show up

Thanks for the list, I didn;t see most of that mentioned on the NI page, they really just kinda focused on the Kore stuff. I'm happy (for you Ab guys) they finally added a way to use Ab4 as an effect without the key trigger, that was always a pain. Did they add more lfo modulation or midi mapping destinations as part of the new midi scheme?

[eyeknow]

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NI sucks big beefy donkey shmegma

[glitchrock-buddha]

with native instruments reputation, as a new user I wouldnt buy their products no matter how good they sounded or looked on paper - until I was positive theres no really annoying bugs or incompatabilities with my hardware......which takes them ages by the looks of things

You say the same thing about Live.

But he's right. It's very often true that bugs serious bugs don't get sorted out for quite a while with N.I. R4 never worked very well for me, crashed all the time, kontakt 2 would crash consistently until 2..1. Battery had a few serious kinks that didn't get fixed for about a year.

Having said that, some things come out without much trouble at all. R5 was stable from the get-go. Absynth, fm7,pro-53 and lots of others never had a problem really.
So it depends on what team developed it probably and all that.

N.I. have screwed me more than once, and sometimes been completely unapologetic about it, but then sometimes I've been sent free stuff for their fuck-ups. They screwed their komplete care customers huge last year, but this year they are treating them extraordinarily well.

They are an extremely inconsistent company, but when things are working, there's nothing else I'd rather be using. I Love the instruments. Love 'em good.

So if you're getting into N.I., just be warned. You get hooked, and we're not all as strong as noisetonepause.

grb

[eyeknow]

I wipe my ass with NI

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[b0unce]

with native instruments reputation, as a new user I wouldnt buy their products no matter how good they sounded or looked on paper - until I was positive theres no really annoying bugs or incompatabilities with my hardware......which takes them ages by the looks of things

You say the same thing about Live.

well, first of all I use live in a very simple way, and that is using the session view to record audio clips always quantized to the bar. So when I bought live 5.0 as soon as it dropped, on the strength of my experiences with 4.14 - well naturally I was less then amused that it took them until 5.03 to address the UnEvEn loops bug. Rendering live5 useless for all those months, useless for my simple but very specific uses - and hardly esoteric uses at that. Well actually, you could use it....but you'd have to do double,triple,quadruple (etc) takes - In no way could you call it on the fly.

Second of all, native instruments arent recording environments, or sequencing/arranging environments like LIVE - for the most part, if not entirely, they are all instruments...but reaktor probably is a grey area there.

Thirdly - ableton's reputation was GOLD until I paid the entrance fee, and had to wait many,many months for the show I was promised - at that stage I'm not a new user who can excercise caution. With NI , I can....its not like I look at their slew of new toys thinking to myself "ahh well, the upgrade cost isnt that much"....whereas with live I end up rationalising things like that, just like with live six...I'm dreading a re-run of my live 5 experience....but its just a 99 euro upgrade, for the dual core support...and besides I've now got 5.2 should live 6 give me shit. None the less, as a consumer with no brand-loyalties I reserve the right to expect to receive the product I pay for in less then 6 months after payment. i.e. not a repeat of live 5.0 - 5.03

thats why I made sure to specify "as a new user" - meh, what am I doing explaining myself, you were just trying to be contrary for the sake of it.


lol...coming from the guy who was cursing ableton only a day or two ago...and it didnt take much to get you started either boohoo you couldnt transfer an operator license as straight-forward as you liked.....I couldnt even use the fuckin software to achieve one of its most basic advertised functions for endless months.

[Tarekith]

Absynth, fm7,pro-53 and lots of others never had a problem really

I disagree, Ab3 had bugs that were DEAD obvious from the get go (there's no way NI couldn't have known about them when they shipped it), and some of them STILL haven't been addressed.

Hopefully Ab4 fixes those, too late for me as I sold my copy after getting sick of the wait.

NI makes really cool looking and great sounding products, but their customer support and bug fixing is piss poor. To see Ableton ACKNOWLEDGING and squashing dozens if not hundreds of bugs in only a few weeks during the beta periods really drives home the way it should be done.

[Machinesworking]

NI makes really cool looking and great sounding products, but their customer support and bug fixing is piss poor. To see Ableton ACKNOWLEDGING and squashing dozens if not hundreds of bugs in only a few weeks during the beta periods really drives home the way it should be done.

Beta is the key word here. Bugs in 'finished' products are fewer, and probably harder to squash.

[DeadlyKungFu]

lol...coming from the guy who was cursing ableton only a day or two ago...and it didnt take much to get you started either boohoo you couldnt transfer an operator license as straight-forward as you liked.....I couldnt even use the fuckin software to achieve one of its most basic advertised functions for endless months.

boohoo you.

It was a comment on the days when you went by henry ford and bitched and moaned constantly about Live's stability. I was paying you a compliment as the gatekeeper of software stability. If you had something to say on stability it says a lot, I guess.

Yeah it does suck to lose a toy due to red tape. $20k worth of gear and you're still this unhappy? check yourself.

anyway, more noise in the thread.

[ewistrand]

You knew I'd show up pimping eventually...

The Absynth upgrade has a lot more going for it than the KORE style browser (which is fluff, IMO). The morphing oscillators are great (and, you can finally use subfolders in your library folders. I have all 1000+ waves of the Architecture waveforms in my library). The sync granular mode can be cool. Any slot besides the oscillators and the effects can be either a filter, a ring modulator or a frequency shifter. Each channel has separate levels in the effects if you don't want to use the combined signal. The audio ins have an auto trigger (no more holding down a note). Stuff like that.
ew

LOL, just waiting for you to show up :)

Thanks for the list, I didn;t see most of that mentioned on the NI page, they really just kinda focused on the Kore stuff. I'm happy (for you Ab guys) they finally added a way to use Ab4 as an effect without the key trigger, that was always a pain. Did they add more lfo modulation or midi mapping destinations as part of the new midi scheme?

MIDI mapping's much easier in 4. You've seen the controller page- that's the one that's in the Komplete screenshot. There's an assignment page where you pick your controller and click on an add button. A list appears with all possible destinations,- you choose which you want for each controller. Plus, a controller can have multiple destinations and can be scaled differently for each. The LFOs have the same type of destination list as well.

ew

[Digi V]

here's that link some people asked for.

instead of it all being "nebulous" this quarter/that quarter they are now giving months for allot of it.


http://www.native-instruments.com/index ... ntelmac_us

thanks. i'd like to get reaktor and guitar rig.


any guitar players here have any real opinions on GR? let me know, thanks.

[noisetonepause]

I disagree, Ab3 had bugs that were DEAD obvious from the get go (there's no way NI couldn't have known about them when they shipped it), and some of them STILL haven't been addressed.

Word on the street is they don't really beta test.