Choosing a laptop: Macbook vs. Sony Vaio

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Post by feyshay » Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:33 pm

headquest wrote:WHen I bought my new laptop (DELL Intel Core 2 Duo 2.16Ghz, 2GB RAM, 100GB, 17" display) the thing which I think made the most difference of all is the fact that the harddrive spins at 7200rpm. On my previous laptop I had disk streaming issues.

Whether you go with Apple, Sony (or DELL, who I very strongly recommend) you should make sure the hard disk speed is 7200rpm.
I know. Really dumb question. How do you find out your hard disk speed?
Same for firewire drive speed?

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Post by headquest » Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:40 pm

feyshay wrote: How do you find out your hard disk speed?
Same for firewire drive speed?
With laptops, 7200rpm is unusual and adds to the price tag, so it will be specified in the technical specs advertised. If it doesn't say 7200rpm, it almost certainly isn't 7200rpm! Hope this helps.
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Post by shurik » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:13 am

didnt read the whole tread,
but sony is very well known for its very very bad customer support.
I had a sony for half a year, then I sold it and noe Im happy with my IBM for 2 1/2 years allready.. best ergonomics, best hardware quality, imo!

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Post by Machinesworking » Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:50 am

anti-banausic wrote: As "cool" as apple is, and I want to go with it basically just for logic, their marketing and business strategies are a bit bunk. Sure, they work well to sell items, but I don't think they really care for their userbase much.

Jobs is probably really not that nice a guy, and my estimation of Gates skyrocketed when he left to steer the Gates foundation full time.

What has Jobs done but make us a more rampantly materialistic society?
Are you an ex Logic PC user? Almost every person I talk to that tries to paint Apple as less ethical than Microsoft is.

Seriously, if you compare the ethics of Apple VS Microsoft, you really have no leg to stand on.

Gates was in the bottom ten for philanthropy of Forbes top 100 richest men in the world ten years ago, his wife changed all that I believe. That, and the government lawsuit.
Anyway, glad he's doing it, but I can't see how anybody with any sense of fair play can look at the outright criminal acts of Microsoft, and try to leverage Apple's purchasing of Emagic, or price point for their products, as proof of their greed etc.

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Post by rikhyray » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:53 am

jamester wrote:
Would like to hear from serious user if the better OS compensate for cheap ass graphics. Otherwise Mac Pro would be the only serious choice.
"Better OS" is purely an opinion. Both OS's are nice, I personally like XP because it's more tweakable, plus I like the software available for it more (as well as the many free vst's which are PC only).

XP's only real downfall is that going online is more dangerous. But while part of that is MS's fault, part of that is also that troublemakers aren't going to waste their time on a platform that's less than 10% of the world's computers. They want to do major damage, so they'll always go for the bigger target. If Macs had even half of the world's computer useage, they'd have a lot more problems with viruses and spyware!

Other than that it's really not about the OS at all, it's about the programs you use with it. An OS is just something I have to deal with when I'm not making music, I really could give a crap about it or how pretty it is. In fact, I like an OS to be as out of the way as possible. And again, XP is more tweakable in this regard...I keep mine stark!

I would steer clear of integrated graphics, regardless of platform personally.

Better OS I said to keep Macomaniacs happy and maybe answer my question. But I give up will never get any sensible answer for lack of common sense.
I dont give a fuck about OS one or other or MS vs. Mac. I believe computer games to be worse then any other kind of drug ever invented
So NO I dont need computer for games. There is unbeatable game of life that it is more exciting then any virtual reality and I do have life.
Anyway i dont think serious Mac users bother to read such threads "erat demonstrandum"
So conclusion is Mac markets cheap ass computers again for much higher prices then they are worth.
Will wait and see if there comes something better.

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Post by Digi V » Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:02 am

rikhyray wrote:
jamester wrote:
Would like to hear from serious user if the better OS compensate for cheap ass graphics. Otherwise Mac Pro would be the only serious choice.
"Better OS" is purely an opinion. Both OS's are nice, I personally like XP because it's more tweakable, plus I like the software available for it more (as well as the many free vst's which are PC only).

XP's only real downfall is that going online is more dangerous. But while part of that is MS's fault, part of that is also that troublemakers aren't going to waste their time on a platform that's less than 10% of the world's computers. They want to do major damage, so they'll always go for the bigger target. If Macs had even half of the world's computer useage, they'd have a lot more problems with viruses and spyware!

Other than that it's really not about the OS at all, it's about the programs you use with it. An OS is just something I have to deal with when I'm not making music, I really could give a crap about it or how pretty it is. In fact, I like an OS to be as out of the way as possible. And again, XP is more tweakable in this regard...I keep mine stark!

I would steer clear of integrated graphics, regardless of platform personally.

Better OS I said to keep Macomaniacs happy and maybe answer my question. But I give up will never get any sensible answer for lack of common sense.
I dont give a fuck about OS one or other or MS vs. Mac. I believe computer games to be worse then any other kind of drug ever invented
So NO I dont need computer for games. There is unbeatable game of life that it is more exciting then any virtual reality and I do have life.
Anyway i dont think serious Mac users bother to read such threads "erat demonstrandum"
So conclusion is Mac markets cheap ass computers again for much higher prices then they are worth.
Will wait and see if there comes something better.
have you ever stopped to think of the software apple gives you with its computers??? no, i'm sure you dont.

what do you get with windows?


for the original poster: my best advice is to just head into a store and try a new mac, thats all. i love my computer, not just for music, but for everything. mac's (for me) make me want to touch the computer because its just an enjoyable experience... kind of like driving a nice car or fucking a hot girl.

some people in this forum will just talk about the price for specs ratio. think of them as like those high school kids who purchase shitty cars to put fast engines in them so they can accelerate in a staight line really really fast or that rather spend a quick buck at the strip club for an easy release.

thats it.

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Post by rikhyray » Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:24 am

Digi V wrote: mac's (for me) make me want to touch the computer because its just an enjoyable experience... kind of like driving a nice car or fucking a hot girl.

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Wow, no offence but it seems you need some serious professional help
This is the weirdest thing I ever read on this forum.

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apple vs mac

Post by pancona » Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:46 am

I have 3 computers (the older powerbook) and an intel iMac and a Sony Viao duo running Live, Reason, and Logic. Everything works better and with less problems on the Mac. If I could sell the Sony I would get rid of the PC. By the way my background was an MIS manager. I was in chagre of 2,500 computers (mixed mac and pc) and 42 servers. I would pick a mac every time over a pc. They are more stable and less prone to errors not to mention the virus and spyware problems.

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Re: apple vs mac

Post by rikhyray » Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:56 am

pancona wrote:I have 3 computers (the older powerbook) and an intel iMac and a Sony Viao duo running Live, Reason, and Logic. Everything works better and with less problems on the Mac. If I could sell the Sony I would get rid of the PC. By the way my background was an MIS manager. I was in chagre of 2,500 computers (mixed mac and pc) and 42 servers. I would pick a mac every time over a pc. They are more stable and less prone to errors not to mention the virus and spyware problems.
I woudnt worry about PB, no question about it but I am kind of pissed that i cannot get any info about the silly graphic card problem in Macbook other the unasked advice from Macimbecils that i should not use it for games.

mac fanboys please excuse me and ignore that post., I dont want your opinion neither hurt your love for your girl/boy/life substitute.

Serious musicians- Macbook or any Mac user please kindly inform if you know anything about that matter, will really appreciate

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Post by headquest » Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:47 am

Digi V wrote: have you ever stopped to think of the software apple gives you with its computers??? no, i'm sure you dont.

what do you get with windows?
That depends on the manufacturer. Neither "Windows" nor "MS" are companies that manufacture computers. THey are a software company.

Typically though, most PC manufacturers will include MS Works (which is useful for home stuff unless you are a business), Adobe Photoshop Elements or similar, Media software (often the full Nero program or something similarly good, also DVD playing software, etc), additional graphics programs, etc.

I realise that in Apple's case they bundle their own iLife suite, which has some good stuff in it, and sells seperately for $79. But their laptops cost considerably more than $79 extra when compared with similar PCs, so using the bundled software as justification is simply misleading.
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Post by nolus » Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:32 pm

I upgraded to a Sony Vaio about 4 months ago - by the looks of the specs the very same one being considered by the orignal poster. So far all has been good.

It does come with a lot of trialware and other unwanted stuff but this was not a problem to get rid of.

There are a couple of sony processes that don't seem to want to uninstal but they are not having any significant effect on the machine so I don't mind.

The screen is beutiful. It is the only computer screen I have ever owned that can make a decent job of showing a movie.

The performance is superb - it can handle everything I throw at it. Although I feel a bit left behind in the CPU speed stakes at 1.66 Mhz, I have not found anything that I want to do with Live that stretches it.

It has ASOI drivers for the internal sound chip - the sound quality of which is very good (so called high definition).

Build in Firewire and USB 2 on intel chipsets - very stable and good performance.

Never crashed once

Runs very cool.

Very quiet

I'm about to find out what the support is like because I recently spilled lemonade into the keyboard (DOH). It still works perfectly but I wan't to make sure the guarantee is not voided by having it cleaned by an approved maintainer. Also I want to booste the RAM to 2GB so I can use Ivory Piano at the same time as some other memory hogging sample based VSTs.

On the subject of virii etc. I have been using a PC of one sort or another (normally home built) connected to the internet for about 10 years. In that time I have never had any virus or spyware problems. I think the problem is somewhat exagerated personally. Sure if you visit dodgy warez sites or other sites run by geeky wierdos then you are opening yourself up to attack - personally I have no interest in visting those kinds of sites.

I am of course using an anti virus program but it never finds anything. And I occasionally scan for spyware but that doesn't find anything either - apart from harmless cookies.
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Post by subterFUSE » Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:44 pm

There are a couple of sony processes that don't seem to want to uninstal but they are not having any significant effect on the machine so I don't mind.

You should be able to format the hard drive and do a clean install of windows. When you install windows, you can do a custom install and select the parts you want to omit.
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Post by subterFUSE » Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:50 pm

On the subject of virii etc. I have been using a PC of one sort or another (normally home built) connected to the internet for about 10 years. In that time I have never had any virus or spyware problems. I think the problem is somewhat exagerated personally. Sure if you visit dodgy warez sites or other sites run by geeky wierdos then you are opening yourself up to attack - personally I have no interest in visting those kinds of sites.

I've been using computers since the early 1980s, and I have never had a single virus.
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Post by nolus » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:09 pm

subterFUSE wrote:
There are a couple of sony processes that don't seem to want to uninstal but they are not having any significant effect on the machine so I don't mind.

You should be able to format the hard drive and do a clean install of windows. When you install windows, you can do a custom install and select the parts you want to omit.

unfortunately - as with most pcs these days - you don't get the windows installer disks, just the oportunity to create a recovery disk (actuallly 2 dvds)

so i'm applying the principle of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".
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Post by Machinesworking » Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:10 pm

rikhyray wrote:Would like to hear from serious user if the better OS compensate for cheap ass graphics. Otherwise Mac Pro would be the only serious choice.
But I dont want anything bigger then 12-13 inches and unfortunately Mac gave up the 12/13 for the Pro versions.
kabuki wrote:Unless you want to play games or VJ on your rig, the Macbook is a great option. The video card won't effect processor performance as long as you get match paired ram sticks (2 x 1 gb).
rikhyray wrote:But I give up will never get any sensible answer for lack of common sense.


So conclusion is Mac markets cheap ass computers again for much higher prices then they are worth.
Will wait and see if there comes something better.
Let me add to what Kabuki said with the simple fact that the macbooks have performed as goo or better in the Live 5 Performance test, check it yourself, so I'm having a really difficult time trying to understand what you want Rikhyray? OK, you never acknowledged that somebody tried to answer your question, and if it's because you already had an answer, and simply posed the question to state your platform choice, then you might be the one with mental issues.
The price difference and performance between macs and PCs drops drastically, but still there are people who will argue that it's not low enough, if Dell can manufacture a laptop for cheaper, then Apple is shit. My beef is this, if you need your laptop to be the cheapest, best bang for the buck, don't go with Apple, and don't spend hours online posting rants about how Dells coupons made their computer cheaper priced etc. It's an endless and pointless point.

Apple now sells comparatively to before, competitively priced computers with arguably better cases, and an alternative to the Microsoft OS that runs Live and most major plug ins etc. if you don't consider that a plus, and are happy with your choices, great.
If you really care about running Live, and other audio software, don't give a shit about games, etc. then why stick to your point that Apple don't include a video card in their bargain priced laptops?

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