Who's buying Sampler?

jamester · Post by **jamester** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 7:29 am

woodie wrote:Unless Sampler (& Operator for that matter) is bundled with LIVE, I'll always be passing them up as 1) there's already plenty of good/cheaper alternatives out there; 2) they're not compatible with other hosts....and 3) I already have Dimension Pro.

yup, what he said!

I'm assuming the EIC collection is wav, so it can be imported into DimPro?

polyslax · Post by **polyslax** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 7:55 am

I wasn't even tempted to move to Live 6... was going to wait until I move from G5 to Intel... but then, I started toying with Sampler in the public beta, and frankly, I was getting such cool results that I decided I needed it. If I could have just bought Sampler for Live 5, I would have.

I don't care about EIC or sound libraries for Sampler. I just love it to FSU, and treat it mainly as an fx unit.

I haven't even really poked around the rest of L6 yet...

kidtronic · Post by **kidtronic** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:19 pm

Trying to make my mind up between sampler (nice integration and sound mangling) but the essential library looks a bit thin as a BIG package that will keep me busy without endless upgardes for libraries and it is, I think, extra as well (download 6, extra for essentials key, extra for sampler = a chunk of change). In comparison I can get Giga Sampler which is world class for articulation and loaded with libraries. I got one of those NI ROMpler packages with the last acid pro upgrade but don't use it much. Same thing, more and more money for useful libraries. I don't want to have the equivalent of a rack of these things. I just want a clean pro setup.
I stayed away from Operator because, well hey, thanks I have a dx-7 (I know it does more, but not a lot more from the look of it).

Advice from users of giga and sampler? Which way would you go with your cash if it wasn't about money? Thanks

DoubleWah · Post by **DoubleWah** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:32 pm

Note that the Ableton page states that EIC is a sound library for Simpler, rather than Sampler (although I assume the sounds could be loaded into Sampler).

dm_hawk · Post by **dm_hawk** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 7:18 pm

I'm not going to buy sampler at the current price.

Considering how user-driven and fairly-priced Ableton has been so far, this whole practice of selling proprietary add-ons, along with annual updates at 20-30% of the original price seems like a bad idea. The recent update structure is almost sorta kinda somewhat reminiscent of a subscription service [except that they don't disable previous versions with each new update]. Since purchasing Live in 2004, I've paid an average of $22.60 per month to use a current version of Live. If you don't factor in the original purchase price, it still works out to $10 a month at the current update rate. obviously, i'm cool with that or i wouldn't be spending my cash on it, but i'd hate to see the Abletons go any further in this direction. it would be REALLY lame if, in the future, they started parting out and charging extra for varying degrees of functionality, resulting in stripped-down versions like "Live Basic" "Live Studio" and "Live Pro." blech!

i'm no economist, but i would guess that if they didn't charge third-party plugin prices for their proprietary add-ons, they'd make a hell of a lot more money.

we'll see if the market rewards them for the Sampler/EIC pricing.

steff3 · Post by **steff3** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 7:45 pm

Well,

Abletons yearly updates are heavy. And their add-ons (Operator and sampler) are interesting, but - well, I would say - expensive. What is even more disturbing is that operator and sampler updates (for the latter will be) are part of Live upgrades.
This is always the problem with those integrated plugins - I think, that was one of the reasons why Apple stopped that with Logic.
Somebody who bought Operator and still uses Live4 has less functionality than one that bought it and upgrade to Live6 - hello - Operator is a extra product! for me that does not make sense.
On the other hand it is a lot of extra administration to offer separate updates for operator for Live4 or Live5 users. But effectively, as an Operator costumer with Live 4 I get something different than an Operator costumer with Live6. For my sense of costumer relations this means that costumers do not get what they've paid for! Some get more and some get less although they all paid the same in the first place. (as Operator is a product on its own - look at the website! This is talking a customer of one product into buying the upgrade of another product although he may not want to. The new functionality of Operator is even listed as a feature of the Live6 upgrade! - Is it a separate product or not!? Somehow reminds me of the Windows/IE discussions and crossrelations which were found to be not ok.)
If Operator would be a integral part of Live this would be ok (as this is with other packages).

I have the feeling that the same will be true for Sampler.

A bit bitter and salty

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