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apparently theyve set off a 2nd sub-kiloton device today as well

sweetjesus wrote: hahahahahaha


getting on topic.

im pretty against N Korea. I saw footage smuggled out of there of people running upto passing cargo trains, collecting little flakes of manure (yes.. shit) to collect and sell as fertilizer.

when your citizens are having to collect shit that falls out of the cracks of a passing train carraige then theres some seriously ill shit goin down.

Do you mean that 'Ill Kim' have Crack Addicts in his ghettos also?

subterFUSE wrote:WWIII has already been going on for years now.

subterFUSE gets it...

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I bet if Speilberg agreed to do a movie for Little Kim, he'd hand over the nukes. Maybe his life story done in an Indiana Jones/Star Wars theme?

Actually... Kim Jong Il is reportedly a HUGE James Bond fan.

Maybe they could put him in a James Bond movie, and he would be happy.

You guys & girls think that the U.S. is in the Middle East as a military strategy to gain a hold on the territory so they can ultimately go to war with Korea, and that's why Korea is starting testing?

Interested in your opinions.

Seems like a logical military move if you're looking to go to war / invade a country (set up camp in their backyard).

they nominated the south-korean foreign minister to succeed kofi annan.

psilopsyche wrote:You guys & girls think that the U.S. is in the Middle East as a military strategy to gain a hold on the territory so they can ultimately go to war with Korea, and that's why Korea is starting testing?

Interested in your opinions.

Seems like a logical military move if you're looking to go to war / invade a country (set up camp in their backyard).

I don't think so.

Doesn't seem that logical at all, actually. The Middle East is nowhere near N. Korea. Besides, the US already has troops on the N.Korean border in S. Korea. If we wanted a safe base location for attacking N. Korea, it would be from S. Korea. Can't get much closer than that.

N. Korea has been working on nuclear technology for decades. This isn't some huge surprise. They've wanted to do it forever. It's really simple. N. Korea is a failed state. The people are starving. When Kim Jong Il needs money or other political concessions, he tries to flex what little muscle he has. He has done it before with threats, or missile tests, etc... This test is another example. He thinks that people will take him seriously, and give in to demands.

That is why no one should reward this behavior. The US should not engage them in direct talks. That would be a reward. Besides, there are plenty of other stakeholders besides the USA. China, Japan, S. Korea should be part of any talks with N. Korea.

I think part of the motivation of the nuke tests is that Kim Jong Il is trying to influence the USA elections. He clearly wants democrats in office because he knows they are more likely to give in to his demands for concessions. I'll be keeping that in mind when I vote.

subterFUSE wrote: I think part of the motivation of the nuke tests is that Kim Jong Il is trying to influence the USA elections. He clearly wants democrats in office because he knows they are more likely to give in to his demands for concessions. I'll be keeping that in mind when I vote.

actually, its more of a snub against south Korea. October 9th is a historical day for korea...

October 9th:

1446 - The Hangul alphabet is published in Korea.

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1983 - Rangoon bombing: attempted assassination of South Korean President Chun Doo Hwan during an official visit to Rangoon, Burma. Chun survived but the blast killed 17 of his entourage, including four cabinet ministers, whilst 17 others were injured. Four Burmese officials also died in the blast.

But I think more importantly the Hangul reference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangul

oh...and of course you can add Oct 9th 2006 to that list, the day North Korea announces that it has tested its first nuclear device.

b0unce wrote:

subterFUSE wrote: I think part of the motivation of the nuke tests is that Kim Jong Il is trying to influence the USA elections. He clearly wants democrats in office because he knows they are more likely to give in to his demands for concessions. I'll be keeping that in mind when I vote.

actually, its more of a snub against south Korea. October 9th is a historical day for korea...

October 9th:

1446 - The Hangul alphabet is published in Korea.

&

1983 - Rangoon bombing: attempted assassination of South Korean President Chun Doo Hwan during an official visit to Rangoon, Burma. Chun survived but the blast killed 17 of his entourage, including four cabinet ministers, whilst 17 others were injured. Four Burmese officials also died in the blast.

But I think more importantly the Hangul reference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangul

Good point. I was not aware. Thanks.

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Yeah, it's a shame. Sooner or later we're gonna have to nuke that kooky bastard.

simpleton wrote:Yeah, it's a shame. Sooner or later we're gonna have to nuke that kooky bastard.

Actually, there really isn't much of a military option... because of the proximity to South Korea. The problem is that Seoul is so close to the N. Korea border, that it's within artillary range.


Think about this.....

Let's say N. Korea has the bomb. If they launch a long-range missile with a nuclear payload, we have a pretty good chance of knocking it down. If they launch a bomber plane, we can take that out.

But what if they shoot artillary rounds at Seoul, and load one with a nuke? It's so close, and there is no technology which could knock down artillary. Plus, they could fire 500 artillary shells at once, and you wouldn't know which one had the nuke.

subterFUSE wrote:

simpleton wrote:Yeah, it's a shame. Sooner or later we're gonna have to nuke that kooky bastard.

Actually, there really isn't much of a military option... because of the proximity to South Korea. The problem is that Seoul is so close to the N. Korea border, that it's within artillary range.


Think about this.....

Let's say N. Korea has the bomb. If they launch a long-range missile with a nuclear payload, we have a pretty good chance of knocking it down. If they launch a bomber plane, we can take that out.

But what if they shoot artillary rounds at Seoul, and load one with a nuke? It's so close, and there is no technology which could knock down artillary. Plus, they could fire 500 artillary shells at once, and you wouldn't know which one had the nuke.

actually, something I read said it's unlikely they have the technology to make a nuke small enough even to fit on a missile, let alone artillary

I think he knows he's got buckleys chance of achieving anything militarily - even china let him know they're not up for any of that shenanigans

it's like others have said here - he just wants to scare people and make himself look like the man

of course it's just as possible he is totally warped by paranoia and really thinks the US/S.Korea could attack and wants to warn them off - they are isolated and deprived

remember how paranoid and crazy stalin got - power can do things to people

not to their defense, but I would be scared shitless if the U.S. called me out of their three in the "axis of evil."