I wanna be like BT

[theshaggyfreak]

you can do this by setting a macro to the loop length, sample start, and loop parameters. then automate them in the track. just set the loop to a fairly small length.

This actualy does work somewhat, although, It's going to take some serious practice to get use out of it.

This was done with a single impulse with no effects. I put a drum loop into an impulse and found the correct note where it would play the full 4 beats. I then manipulated the length and loop parameters to get the sort of stuttering effect.

http://www.bsodmusic.com/glitch_test.mp3

Add some other effects into that and it could be a fun trick to use.

[jb61264]

There are bound to be those who like certain artists and those who dislike certain artists for one reason or another. If you dislike BT for his music production, so be it...if you dislike him just because he has marketed himself well and pays the bills, that is a shame...but everyone is entitled to their opinion and I always respect someone elses opinion.

Bottom line to me is that he has had quite a variation in the work that he produces and he has been one of the "innovators" of techniques used in the art of making particular types of music.

This is actually one of the first times I've seen BT referenced more in the positive than in the negative...glad to see that.

[nuperspective]

The only person in this thread so far with any sense.

Just so you know that with this statement, you're excluding yourself from the sensible list.

Of course, I knew that when I typed it. I don't give a rat's ass about BT, and find his adoration by technophiles slightly annoying. I haven't heard anything he's done that really seems like it has any gut to it, all elevator music IMO.
He didn't invent anything, he simply grabs on to the latest underground craze, and hands it to the Target/Wal Mart/Tesco crowd in easily accessible boring tried and true song structures and timbres, and to an extent, the fact that I get annoyed that other musicians don't recognize this is not "sensible".
I should have realized a long time ago that people will take gloss, predictability, and hype over substance, integrity and originality. I haven't realized though.

Riddle me this, how can you pretend that BT has an ounce of substance when he's written music for N-Syc?
Basically there is no underground anymore, you're all a bunch of corporate shills.

I'm not saying I'm perfect, I once bought a Billy Joel record when I was a kid. I changed though, all I'm saying people is give real music a chance, and stop paying attention to the shallow.
And yes, this is not a "sensible" post.

CONGRATS

the winner for the naive statement of 2007 [so far] is...

"Riddle me this, how can you pretend that BT has an ounce of substance when he's written music for N-Syc?
Basically there is no underground anymore, you're all a bunch of corporate shills."

hands up anybody who wouldnt want to produce a multi million selling artist and get paid royalties?

since when does musical 'substance' only equate when its 'underground'?

N-Sync.. Beatles, The Doors, U2, Elvis all pure pop music by design and definition, but has no credibility or substance?

just how 'underground' are you? ever use a 4/4 beat, ever use a breakbeat, ever use a drum roll, ever use a filter sweep or giltch fx? you mainstream bastard.

or are you producing downtempo polyrhythmic folkcore on the mandolin with little bit of amazonian rain forest tribe flava! recorded on an old eight track for some real old skool grit.

we would all love to know just how underground you have to be these days in order to be credible, have substance or even be allowed to buy a synth.

do tell

rant over!

[b0unce]

the doors are pop music by design ? no shit ? can someone confirm this ?

[jasinski]

you can do this by setting a macro to the loop length, sample start, and loop parameters. then automate them in the track. just set the loop to a fairly small length.

This actualy does work somewhat, although, It's going to take some serious practice to get use out of it.

This was done with a single impulse with no effects. I put a drum loop into an impulse and found the correct note where it would play the full 4 beats. I then manipulated the length and loop parameters to get the sort of stuttering effect.

http://www.bsodmusic.com/glitch_test.mp3

Add some other effects into that and it could be a fun trick to use.

try cutting the beat up into its slices, and mapping each to a Simpler- chained together in a rack. set the macro to control each loop lenght and sample start. then play your beat.. and tweak. very cool

[ethios4]

Doing BT-style stutters is a little more involved than repeating tiny segments of sound. I find it easiest to do in arrange mode, rather than trying to simulate the effect in a plugin.

As for BT, I think he's great, although I agree his music very often lacks "guts", "edge","balls", whatever. But each person is strong in their own way. I think he makes brilliant music, although the obsession some people have is pretty gross. Thats the kind of shit that makes an artist go soft, as if he's not enough already. It bothers me that he claims (or his fans claim) to have invented so many things. He has never claimed to invent trance, but lots of people make that claim. He sure as shit didn't invent stutters. I was doing stutters when i was 13, back in 1990, on my drum machine.

[nebulae]

A ha! So you invented stutters! I knew it. I KNEW IT!!!!!!!!!

[jasinski]

the funny thing with the whole glitch fad is that it's not new. i was doing this on my Ensoniq EPS 16 plus back in 1990. It just didn't have a name or an audience.

[cosmosuave]

[leisuremuffin]

regardless of his musical styles his ideas and sounds are always one step ahead.

epic house - done it
prog house - done it
prog breaks - done it
glitch - done it

and usually before everyone else. and usually leaving most people to think 'how did he do that and how do i do it?'. 12 months later the sounds are everywhere.

not saying he invented the sounds, but he knows how to make you listen and take notice and think 'shit that was cool'.

how do you figure that BT did all of those styles before anyone else?

and if being "underground" doesn't mean anything, why is this part of your pro-BT argument?


Some of us feel that it's more like BT is serving a watered down version of music that was at one point in time *all* underground. And the sad thing is that the more electronic music hits the mainstream, the more it gets watered down, and the more people get skewed ideas of what it's really about. Unfortunately the old argument that a rising tide lifts all boats has not turned out to be true. In other words, the generic watered down electronic music that has pushed upon the masses by club DJ culture hasn't opened a crack for more interesting electronic music to seep up into the mainstream, rather it has turned off a lot of folks who might be into more authentic electronic music if it wasn't associated with a very click oriented scene that's based on a bunch of meaningless genres, and about dance music being separated more and more from listening music. And about any sort of "downtempo" (whatever the fuck that even means) or not exclusively dance floor stuff having to follow the rules of club style production. For instance, BT's super smooth, super unconfrontational, and ultimately to me, super uninteresting music.

It's not even that i think bt's music is even that bad, it's really not, it's just that it's part of a bigger problem i see with electronic music in general.


it's a real drag.



.lm.

[theshaggyfreak]

http://www.bsodmusic.com/glitch_test.mp3

Add some other effects into that and it could be a fun trick to use.

try cutting the beat up into its slices, and mapping each to a Simpler- chained together in a rack. set the macro to control each loop lenght and sample start. then play your beat.. and tweak. very cool

Hrm, I'll have to play with that. This has shed some light for me, though, on unconventional things that you can do with Live. Considering the fact that I've only been really using it since ver 6 came out, I'm slowly starting to get the hang of it. IMHO, it's been quite a step up from FL Studio.

[sgx]

I recently saw This Binary Universe live (the BT and Thomas Dolby tour). It was quite a good show although the live version of TBU had much different dynamic than the CD/DVD. It's a good disc, though, and I enjoy it quite a bit.

Hey did you see it at SONAR in Baltimore? I was there too. Might have bumped into you.

It was a great show. I saw him on the Movement in Still Life tour and that was more mind-blowing but mainly because that music fit the concert/club venue better than the largely downtempo TBU did, but TBU was cool. It was interesting how they substituted the string lead parts for the herdy gerdy .

Naw, I was at the Birchmere show the following night. One of the guys that sat with us said that the Sonar show wasn't as mixed as well as the show we saw. I'm personally more into sit down shows anyway since my bad legs have issues with standing in one place for more than 15 minutes.

I enjoyed both Thomas Dolby and BT, though. One of the best shows I've seen in a long time. It's the first concert that I've ever been to that was in 5.1 .

We didn't have surround. Sonar is a kinda small junky place.

[nebulae]

So a day after I started this thread, I just go around to quantizing my 23 rain droplet to 256ths. At this rate, I should have about 20 seconds of music for y'all to listen to by Easter.

Now let's go back to discussing why BT is great or not, and whether he's too commercial or not, and also, if he invented trance or not (*cringe*).

[Machinesworking]

hands up anybody who wouldnt want to produce a multi million selling artist and get paid royalties?

The part that kills me is you call Nsync "artists"?
Rich.

I can't even begin to explain it to you, if you can even for a half second call Nsync artists, then I can't help you. You simply don't get it, and that's fine.
I have ZERO interest in trying to convince you to listen to groups I like, all you would try to do is poo poo them for not selling units, and other nonsense. Music is not sports. I really don't care how much money I was offered, I would never produce a boy band, period! I'm not one that thinks money is a cure all.
This is much different than letting Kia motors use your song for a car commercial, and much more indicative of the problems I, and others have with pop music, no integrity.
He's probably a really nice guy, I just don't get why his fans go on music boards promoting him as a super talent, I don't see it, and I don't think I'm alone in that.
Basically white middle and upper class kids have been taking interesting genres of music and watering them down into pure smarm for decades now.

Anyway, go on with your fanboy routine; like I said earlier I realized my post wasn't "sensible", and I don't mean you personally any disrespect. It's all good, I once owned a Billy Joel record!

[nebulae]

I once performed "The Longest Time" in high school with 4 of my geekiest friends singing the doo-ap parts behind me. We wore multi-color ties. Still, we never got laid. Not a one. Go figure.