forge wrote:Johnisfaster wrote:Machinesworking wrote: You have cancer right now, every living organism has a few errant cells, it's irritants and contaminants that cause a creature that otherwise would not generate more than a few to generate tens of thousands and get cancer. That, my friend is a by product of our technological society.
things like being encased in an electrical field, eating pesticide laden food, and breathing air that has a higher concentration of pollution etc. all this adds up to the higher cancer rates we see in the post industrial age. of course just like the cigarette companies, there are powerful people with a vested interest in keeping environmental regulations loose.
Point is I adopt a cat, I choose to keep us in the industrial part of town, and even smoked around her for her first few years, then I need to take responsibility for her care when she suffers the consequences of my behavior. It's the right thing to do I think.
I don't know how much you've studied cancer but I'm pretty damn sure not everyone has cancerous cells just running around their body at all times. I could be wrong about that but I've had lengthy discussions about cancer with my fiance who is in her 3rd year of nursing school ( I know shes not an expert or anything ) but I have a mild understanding of how it works. Though like I said I could be wrong about that.
though I won't really argue about what you feel is right to do. I'm just one of those jerks who thinks "it's just a cat" even though I care about my cat and would be upset about it the thought of spending thousands on surgery for it is like "are you kidding? he's just a cat"
I can understand the feeling - I grew up with cats and they have alot of personality, but I wouldnt fork out the dough - well, that's mainly because there is no way in hell I could - that kind of money is a fantasy for us - the car would have to be serviced first to even earn the money for US to eat
as for the cancer thing - while I have *suspicions* that modern lifestyle probably does contribute, I actually think life is pretty damn resilient and it's incredibly difficult to say "the incidences of cancer has shot up dramatically in the last 50 years" without also acknowledging that the population of the world has grown more than it has in the history of humans, so it's hard to tell
plus the added dimension that medicine and the use of it was nowhere near what it is now and there was probably still a huge chunk of the population in 1957 that would never have even known they had cancer - just died of "natural causes" - you didnt go for scans willy nilly like we do now in 1957
so these things are very hard to test
I personally believe the will of living things is a much bigger factor in the preservation of life anyway
OK neither of you have much of a clue about cancer, environmental impact, and what sort of studies have been done.
Just a quick overhaul.
Modern medicine has prolonged life, but cancer rates for people under the age of 50 have gone through the roof.
Infertility rates have gone up in industrialized populations.
The background radiation of the planet has increased 400 times since 1945, and cancer rates have risen accordingly.
Cigarette smoking is a great example of the kind of argument you two are giving. You deny that any test can prove that something causes cancer whether or not the evidence is overwhelming.
Like I said, modern technology has prolonged human life in general, but it's pretty obvious to anybody who looks at the statistics that people living in the country with decent access to hospitals etc. eating a more natural diet, live MUCH longer, and stay healthier, period.
Forge, you still smoking cigs? your logic sort of points in that direction!
