You're right about that, but it's still pathetic.Um.. no one said it was ever any different. At least not that I can recall.
Jerry Falwell dead. Hooray!
Three minutes.. I was wondering how long it would take for someone to rise to the bait.b0unce wrote:whats your beef with castro ?pilcrow wrote:You're absolutely right. The dangling Saddam Hussein was a bright spot. Hang on to a bit of that champagne for the passing of Castro, too. Won't be long now.popslut wrote:What is all this horseshit about not celebrating the death of somebody horrible?....When shitbags die it cheers me up for days.
Pretty spotty human rights record. To put it mildly.
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TomTom wrote:You know what's pathetic? I knew that I could come to this forum and find this thread. Anymore this forum is no different from all of the other rant and run-your-mouth blog sites.
12 of your posts are about ableton/music/whatever.
you are officially not allowed to complain about content of ot posts untill you contribute at least 50 percent on topic posts.
/thread jack
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yeah, not like us, we're awesome!pilcrow wrote:Three minutes.. I was wondering how long it would take for someone to rise to the bait.b0unce wrote:whats your beef with castro ?pilcrow wrote: You're absolutely right. The dangling Saddam Hussein was a bright spot. Hang on to a bit of that champagne for the passing of Castro, too. Won't be long now.
Pretty spotty human rights record. To put it mildly.
"remove the beam from your own eye before you attempt to remove the mote from your neighbors." Falwell would have liked some bible up in his celebratory death thread.
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amen brother!leisuremuffin wrote: "remove the beam from your own eye before you attempt to remove the mote from your neighbors."
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champion points for the quote.
by the way, I call faggy waggy waggy on pilcrow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggy_waggy_waggy
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b0unce wrote:amen brother!leisuremuffin wrote: "remove the beam from your own eye before you attempt to remove the mote from your neighbors."
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champion points for the quote.
by the way, I call faggy waggy waggy on pilcrow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggy_waggy_waggy
So the mote quote applies to me and my opinion of Castro, but not to you and your opinion of Falwell? All in a day's work here at the think tank, I guess. Champion points all around!-
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+1RT wrote:this thread is terrible. many of you are political hypocrites. you pretend to care about human beings in the cuba thread then you have a party at the death of this human being. no matter what t his politics or what he did death does not deserve a party even if you hated him if you really care about people.
I was asked what my beef was with Castro, and I answered the question.leisuremuffin wrote:yeah, not like us, we're awesome!pilcrow wrote:Three minutes.. I was wondering how long it would take for someone to rise to the bait.b0unce wrote: whats your beef with castro ?
Pretty spotty human rights record. To put it mildly.
"remove the beam from your own eye before you attempt to remove the mote from your neighbors." Falwell would have liked some bible up in his celebratory death thread.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
I think this pretty much sums it up.......
WASHINGTON | Some admired the Rev. Jerry Falwell. Others reviled him. But few disagreed that Falwell’s role in American history will reverberate long past his death Tuesday at age 73.
Falwell was found unconscious Tuesday morning in his office at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va., and was taken to a hospital, where he couldn’t be revived. He had a history of heart troubles.
Falwell’s influence extended far beyond the Thomas Road Baptist Church in Lynchburg, which he founded in 1956. He was among the first socially conservative ministers to recognize the potential political power of his fellow believers and to harness that power.
That led to an alliance with the Republican Party that had profound consequences for American public life over the past quarter-century.
“Jerry Falwell was a pivotal figure in the political awakening and mobilization of American evangelicals,” said Luis Lugo, director of the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life. “He was a major catalyst in pushing cultural issues to the forefront of American politics.”
It was no easy feat. Falwell emerged from a faith tradition that long had eschewed political activism.
“From the failure of Prohibition on, many people who belonged to the conservative evangelical tradition withdrew from trying to reshape society,” said David Holmes, a professor of religious studies at the College of William and Mary. “Some of them just kind of gave up.”
As late as 1965, Falwell had preached that ministers should stay out of the civil rights movement.
“Preachers are not called to be politicians but to be soul winners,” he said then. “Nowhere are we commissioned to reform the externals. The gospel does not clean up the outside but rather regenerates the inside.”
But, deeply unsettled by the social and sexual upheaval of the late 1960s and ’70s, Falwell began meeting with other conservative leaders, seeking ways to counter what he regarded as a decline in the country’s moral values.
By then, conservative Christians “were ready to heed the call of a leader who could articulate their concerns and inspire them to do something about the changes in America that they disliked,” Holmes said, citing the national legalization of abortion, increased divorce rates and a seeming coarsening of popular culture.
In 1976, Falwell said that “the idea that religion and politics don’t mix was invented by the devil to keep Christians from running their own country.”
Already well-known nationally because of his early embrace of television to broadcast his sermons in the “Old Time Gospel Hour,” Falwell founded the Moral Majority in 1979. The organization grew to more than 6 million members and, through direct mail, campaign-style rallies and fundraising, successfully encouraged evangelicals to become more politically active.
Disappointed in the Jimmy Carter presidency, evangelicals embraced the candidacy of Ronald Reagan in 1980 and never looked back.
“It led to a major religious political realignment in the last 25, 30 years,” Lugo said. “Evangelicals became a mainstay of conservative politics and are now a core part of the GOP constituency.”
The evangelical migration to the Republican Party is seen as a major reason that Democrats have had difficulty competing in rural and Southern states. That Democrats now are trying to speak the language of the faithful is evidence of the success that Falwell and others had in making politics as much about cultural issues as economic ones, Lugo said.
Falwell also helped evangelicals find alternatives to secular cultural institutions.
For all his successes, in recent years he was eclipsed as a leader of the religious right.
He focused mainly on fundraising and preaching, never on grassroots organizing or developing policy. So as the Republican Party embraced religious conservatives as part of its base, other groups and leaders emerged to ensure that base could win elections and govern effectively. The Moral Majority disbanded in 1989.
“It’s a very different game,” Lugo said. “His relative importance declined. He might say that’s a sign of his success, that others are carrying the burden … They’re beyond tokenism. They’re at the table.”
Falwell’s penchant for controversy also lessened his influence over time.
For the secular left — and for many middle-of-the-road voters — he was a virtual caricature of all they found troubling about religious conservatives.
Falwell once criticized the children’s show “The Teletubbies” because he thought that one of the four colorful, nonhuman characters — Tinky Winky, the purple one with the red bag — might be gay. He routinely vilified gay people.
“AIDS is the wrath of God upon homosexuals,” he said on one occasion. He also said: “AIDS is not just God’s punishment for homosexuals; it is God’s punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.”
He helped market “The Clinton Chronicles,” a video attempting to link then-President Bill Clinton to drug running and murder. After the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, Falwell said: “I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians ... all of them who have tried to secularize America, I point the finger in their face and say: ‘You helped this happen.’ ”
Still, Falwell’s influence endured.
The commencement speaker at Liberty this year, on Saturday, is former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a Georgia Republican who is considering a bid for the presidency.
EDUCATION
Lynchburg (Va.) College and Baptist Bible College, Springfield, Mo., 1950-1956; ordained a Baptist minister, 1958
CAREER
1968: Began religious services on TV program eventually called “Old Time Gospel Hour”
1971: Founded Liberty University, Lynchburg, a conservative Christian university
1979: Created the Moral Majority group to support political candidates with conservative Christian views; disbanded in 1989
2004: Created Faith and Values Coalition, another conservative political activist group
WASHINGTON | Some admired the Rev. Jerry Falwell. Others reviled him. But few disagreed that Falwell’s role in American history will reverberate long past his death Tuesday at age 73.
Falwell was found unconscious Tuesday morning in his office at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va., and was taken to a hospital, where he couldn’t be revived. He had a history of heart troubles.
Falwell’s influence extended far beyond the Thomas Road Baptist Church in Lynchburg, which he founded in 1956. He was among the first socially conservative ministers to recognize the potential political power of his fellow believers and to harness that power.
That led to an alliance with the Republican Party that had profound consequences for American public life over the past quarter-century.
“Jerry Falwell was a pivotal figure in the political awakening and mobilization of American evangelicals,” said Luis Lugo, director of the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life. “He was a major catalyst in pushing cultural issues to the forefront of American politics.”
It was no easy feat. Falwell emerged from a faith tradition that long had eschewed political activism.
“From the failure of Prohibition on, many people who belonged to the conservative evangelical tradition withdrew from trying to reshape society,” said David Holmes, a professor of religious studies at the College of William and Mary. “Some of them just kind of gave up.”
As late as 1965, Falwell had preached that ministers should stay out of the civil rights movement.
“Preachers are not called to be politicians but to be soul winners,” he said then. “Nowhere are we commissioned to reform the externals. The gospel does not clean up the outside but rather regenerates the inside.”
But, deeply unsettled by the social and sexual upheaval of the late 1960s and ’70s, Falwell began meeting with other conservative leaders, seeking ways to counter what he regarded as a decline in the country’s moral values.
By then, conservative Christians “were ready to heed the call of a leader who could articulate their concerns and inspire them to do something about the changes in America that they disliked,” Holmes said, citing the national legalization of abortion, increased divorce rates and a seeming coarsening of popular culture.
In 1976, Falwell said that “the idea that religion and politics don’t mix was invented by the devil to keep Christians from running their own country.”
Already well-known nationally because of his early embrace of television to broadcast his sermons in the “Old Time Gospel Hour,” Falwell founded the Moral Majority in 1979. The organization grew to more than 6 million members and, through direct mail, campaign-style rallies and fundraising, successfully encouraged evangelicals to become more politically active.
Disappointed in the Jimmy Carter presidency, evangelicals embraced the candidacy of Ronald Reagan in 1980 and never looked back.
“It led to a major religious political realignment in the last 25, 30 years,” Lugo said. “Evangelicals became a mainstay of conservative politics and are now a core part of the GOP constituency.”
The evangelical migration to the Republican Party is seen as a major reason that Democrats have had difficulty competing in rural and Southern states. That Democrats now are trying to speak the language of the faithful is evidence of the success that Falwell and others had in making politics as much about cultural issues as economic ones, Lugo said.
Falwell also helped evangelicals find alternatives to secular cultural institutions.
For all his successes, in recent years he was eclipsed as a leader of the religious right.
He focused mainly on fundraising and preaching, never on grassroots organizing or developing policy. So as the Republican Party embraced religious conservatives as part of its base, other groups and leaders emerged to ensure that base could win elections and govern effectively. The Moral Majority disbanded in 1989.
“It’s a very different game,” Lugo said. “His relative importance declined. He might say that’s a sign of his success, that others are carrying the burden … They’re beyond tokenism. They’re at the table.”
Falwell’s penchant for controversy also lessened his influence over time.
For the secular left — and for many middle-of-the-road voters — he was a virtual caricature of all they found troubling about religious conservatives.
Falwell once criticized the children’s show “The Teletubbies” because he thought that one of the four colorful, nonhuman characters — Tinky Winky, the purple one with the red bag — might be gay. He routinely vilified gay people.
“AIDS is the wrath of God upon homosexuals,” he said on one occasion. He also said: “AIDS is not just God’s punishment for homosexuals; it is God’s punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.”
He helped market “The Clinton Chronicles,” a video attempting to link then-President Bill Clinton to drug running and murder. After the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, Falwell said: “I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians ... all of them who have tried to secularize America, I point the finger in their face and say: ‘You helped this happen.’ ”
Still, Falwell’s influence endured.
The commencement speaker at Liberty this year, on Saturday, is former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a Georgia Republican who is considering a bid for the presidency.
EDUCATION
Lynchburg (Va.) College and Baptist Bible College, Springfield, Mo., 1950-1956; ordained a Baptist minister, 1958
CAREER
1968: Began religious services on TV program eventually called “Old Time Gospel Hour”
1971: Founded Liberty University, Lynchburg, a conservative Christian university
1979: Created the Moral Majority group to support political candidates with conservative Christian views; disbanded in 1989
2004: Created Faith and Values Coalition, another conservative political activist group
-2sweetjesus wrote:+1RT wrote:this thread is terrible. many of you are political hypocrites. you pretend to care about human beings in the cuba thread then you have a party at the death of this human being. no matter what t his politics or what he did death does not deserve a party even if you hated him if you really care about people.
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