Logic Pro vs. Ableton

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:29 pm

Tarekith - Excellent post, well written, makes total sense.

dj superflat · Post by **dj superflat** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:07 pm

here's the difference to me -- live can add on complexity now by hiding it under the hood (most people won't even know it's there). with logic, you've gotta get under the hood and fiddle around to get just about anything done. if that's what you're into, godspeed. but i just found it irritating, even after a long time with logic, to still have to fight the machine (and lose) at times. as for logic's synths and fx, don't you all have reaktor (kind of kidding)?

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:34 pm

dj superflat wrote:here's the difference to me -- live can add on complexity now by hiding it under the hood (most people won't even know it's there). with logic, you've gotta get under the hood and fiddle around to get just about anything done. if that's what you're into, godspeed. but i just found it irritating, even after a long time with logic, to still have to fight the machine (and lose) at times. as for logic's synths and fx, don't you all have reaktor (kind of kidding)?

live has had at least two major upgrades since the last major release of logic came out. This says a lot.

Live is easier imo to use, but logic is not unreasonable. If I had just started out using logic I feel like the wierdness of it that makes it so customizable and professional would not be such a big deal. I would have just mastered an untold number of keystrokes, etc. Live is super intuitive. I can get things done without thinking that much about it. This can be a problem for me though, as it is very tempting to use in specific ways, as the results can very quickly be effective though potentially divergent of the original intent. This is particularly great for sketching ideas. Logic is not fun, but in it's cold, tedious, analytic workflow, it is very useful for editing and fine tuning a piece. I treat it like I'm checking my math.

tablist56 · Post by **tablist56** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:04 am

i never really got into logic but ive messed around with loads of trackers back in the day, also cubase sx, nuendo, fruity loops, acid, cool edit, etc
all these programs had something that started to annoy me which in turn affects my production.

since catching on the live, i can honestly say that i will NEVER EVER use another sequencer again. musically, LIVE is the best thing that ive ever come across in my life!!! lol

im still finding things about it which blow my mind!!!!

such a powerful program!!!

no need to learn logic or protools etc.

having said that i think its best for dance music more than anything else.

simpleton · Post by **simpleton** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:10 am

I'm not a DJ, I'm a real musician but I still use Live, yet I've attended a couple Logic clinics given by reputable DJ's. The world has truly gone mad!

Ruud · Post by **Ruud** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:26 am

I am a piano/keyboardplayer and have alway's play'd with hardware and nothing else. Later I wanted to learn more of all the DAW programs. I read and used a lot of software on my Mac but every time I found it to technical and not userfriendly at all.
So I went back by recording everything with hardware. When I noticed live I downloaded it for a try cause I liked the graphic interface and the way you can work in the session view.
I use it now for a year and I think is a good combination with the hardware and it's a sort of instrument itself.
Most important is that there are more possibilities I have ever seen in finding new music arragements.

tablist56 · Post by **tablist56** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:50 am

it depends on what your doing...

logic, its a bit like owning a ferrari but only ever driving it to the shops and back compared to using live which would be like owning a porsche and driving around everywhere with hot chicks in the front and back

me, i prefer the porsche with hot chicks

use something that gets the job done for you. but as far as enjoyment goes, LIVE LIVE LIVE!!!

steff3 · Post by **steff3** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:37 am

[quote="Tarekith"]

Again, Live CAN do pretty much anything you need,[/quote]
well, definitely depends on one needs, but I would simply say - no .....

[quote="Tarekith"]
I think this is one reason we see more and more feature requests where people are asking for functions other DAWs have.
[/quote]

and that is the error ..... look at the size of the teams at Apple or Digidesign and how much money they can throw at it. Of course I have no insides, but, I think ableton is rather small compared to that.

They proclaimed that Live 5 is a studio tool - hell, it does not even allow me to load in big sample libraries - what studio they are talking about - a zoom portastudio?

with live 6 we have a little bit of video - if you want to do really music to video, well, forget about it - we have a little but of MIDI - if you want to do MIDI (and in this case I mean more - handle audio and MIDI the same within Live - being able to do the same with MIDI what one can do with audio in Live) - well, forget about it - and so on. But I would say since version 3 they added that one great thing (not as fully implemented as it should be) Racks. It is the questions of racks stays in the same league as MIDI - or if it gets sophisticated ......

personally I do not see the point of throwing everything into an app if the interface and the resources cannot keep up with it ....

for those that thing they can save a bug by only running live and begging for every feature in live - well, it might be great .... for others it is less great .....

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steff3 · Post by **steff3** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:41 am

[quote="dj superflat"]as for logic's synths and fx, don't you all have reaktor (kind of kidding)?[/quote]

no, cause reaktor can do a lot, is not efficient and sounds like sh**** - same goes for Max/MSP sound-wise. I work a lot with Max/MSP - but if I need sound ....
And compared to reaktor structure and UltraBeat are really innovative ..... it is that simple

steff3 · Post by **steff3** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:44 am

[quote="LOFA"]

live has had at least two major upgrades since the last major release of logic came out. This says a lot.
.[/quote]

what does it say? That Apple has more money and can have longer development cycles? That if logic was only the subset of what Live is that we would also have seen more updates?

pretty ridiculous ....

Serra · Post by **Serra** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:32 pm

Both. Logic may be quicker for experienced users to do fine midi and audio editing, grouping tracks etc However, I find these tools useful in a later stage of song production. In early stage experimentation and throwing down ideas is more important for me and I find Live a better tool for this. It is also MUCH faster to experiment diferent arrangements of a song in Live. Logic is great in the second stage for mixing, maybe adding a few parts, doing the automation etc. Try both see what works best for you.

R.J.Dubya · Post by **R.J.Dubya** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:05 pm

Here's what it comes down to for me:

I've always loved Logic, though been using Live more and more the past couple years. I've been waiting for Logic 8 for years, and was super stoked when it was released. I'm impressed by the new features, and still think that Logic's built-in devices are the cleanest sounding as well as most cpu efficient instruments/effects out there, and some are quite irreplaceable such as sculpture. Also, Logic lets me use 100% of my cpu power as opposed to Live, which lets me use about 70%. It is now retardedly cheap and comes with the most amazing content and presets probably of any DAW, not to mention you now also get mainstage and soundtrack pro. And I'm not sure why, but I do notice that songs I make in Logic tend to sound higher quality than songs I make with Live (could be the instruments I chose to work with, in-built effects, who knows).

But guess what program I open literally 95% of the time I sit down to play/write music? Yes, Ableton Live.

steff3 · Post by **steff3** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:38 am

>> Live is easier imo to use, but logic is not unreasonable.

>>
here's the difference to me -- live can add on complexity now by hiding it under the hood (most people won't even know it's there). with logic, you've gotta get under the hood and fiddle around to get just about anything done.
>>

recently, a friend and me were talking about all those cybernetic and VR visions from 20 years ago (which are still the same as today) and also were talking about media production software. We found it pretty funny - that in the end with the most recent tools and the newest and fastest computer one is still limited to the same old stuff as with a 4 band machine and a 4 track mixer in terms of workflow.
I could only name a few exceptions - like Logic, Houdini (3D software) and maybe Shake - and then we talked about all the whining about the logic workflow and we know why all this did not move ahead.

How did Jaron Lanier put it (giving reasons why VR 'failed'):
"We went to the mall to see what VR was, and it sucked."

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thelocalhost · Post by **thelocalhost** » Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:41 pm

I don't understand these 'X vs Y' discussions.

Use both programs. Sometime Live is the perfect tool, sometimes Logic is better, sometimes using them both is the optimal solution.

Logic Pro vs. Ableton

What's better in the production environment?

using both