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nolus wrote:cycling 74 where are you?

Hoping to hear something there soon, too...

nolus wrote:
cycling 74 where are you?

Yeah!

jeffb01 wrote:

Kodama wrote:So what's the USD if you own Live 6/Operator/Sampler and want to get the suite download or box?

$299 for the download suite
$419 boxed.

I don't think that takes eic 1 into account. I never added it and so I added it today and everything is listed under license 1 except eic which is listed under license 2. I don't know what that's all about. Maybe it thinks I bought it after October 1st, but I unlocked it a while ago.

Thanks for the info, not a bad price!

jeffb01 wrote:

Kodama wrote:So what's the USD if you own Live 6/Operator/Sampler and want to get the suite download or box?

$299 for the download suite
$419 boxed.

I don't think that takes eic 1 into account. I never added it and so I added it today and everything is listed under license 1 except eic which is listed under license 2. I don't know what that's all about. Maybe it thinks I bought it after October 1st, but I unlocked it a while ago.

I need to figure this out too. I have 4 licenses at the moment, and despite owning EIC, Sampler, Operator and V6 I can only get as low as $459. I emailed someone at ableton. I hope this gets sorted while I am busy beta testing

my live 6 and sampler license are on license 1 but operator is on license 2. do i need to change this?

I own Live 6, Operator, Sampler, and EIC. I fall in this category:


Upgrade to Ableton Suite (Boxed)

Includes:
Live 6 to Live 7 Upgrade (Box)
Session Drums
Analog
Tension
Electric
Drum Machines

USD $399 ($299 without Session Durms, which I'm willing to ditch)


I was thinking about buying Komplete 5 which is $999, then I'd still have to add at least $119 for Live 7, which comes to $1,116. I'd rather ditch Komplete 5 and spend $299 on the suite. NI's instruments sound good, but I always end up reverse engineering the overly programmed presets anyway. With Operator and Sampler today I tend to dig under the hood more and like it better...my workflow is in the same spirit as working with my hardware.

Anyway, I think the pricing is fair. I can never go back to Cubase or Logic no matter how cheap they are.

smutek wrote:[OT]

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I did get the replacement, but in the process, I broke a major cable and fucked it to all hell. I then found some dude on ebay who buys and sells repaired iPods, and he gave me a decent credit for my wife's old ipod "parts". He was also very helpful when I accidentally washed my ipod shuffle the following week. To make a long story short, we have a replacement ipod for my wife, and I got a new creative zen stone.

i nearly spit out my coffee this morning at the price for the full package to new users 999 USD!!

what??

i dont care what you say about logic price, cubase price, etc etc. $999 all up - thats beyond the the realm of reality.

nuperspective wrote:i nearly spit out my coffee this morning at the price for the full package to new users 999 USD!!

what??

i dont care what you say about logic price, cubase price, etc etc. $999 all up - thats beyond the the realm of reality.

Jesus, that is majorly overpriced.

EDIT - Ah that's with all the intsruments. Normal price is 599 which is ok. I'm not fond of Live's instruments anyway, but I will reserve total judgement until I've actually tried them out.

Machinate wrote:

xxxmorphicxxx wrote:

tylenol wrote:Um...not so sure about that. It's kind of like Live and Logic have completely switched their pricing schemes over the last few years.

What you said is true, but what happened with Logic's price is hardly the norm and you cannot hold other companies software to that standard. Ableton is not selling millions of iPods and iPhones for 300-500 bucks a pop, or tons of Mac's to make up for their cheap software.

totally true - Apple are dumping their prices, and I personally find that to be very bad form... I am convinced that they are losing money per sold Logic8, not including the sold apple hardware.

Well, I wasn't just thinking about apple's latest price drop, but the days when emagic used to charge $$$ for extra plugins, a model it seemed like everyone (except the people who'd shelled out $2k or whatever for the full package) was pretty happy that apple dropped. I also hadn't realized that the new instruments are basically all licensed technology, either, which does make you look at the pricing a little differently.

I mean, with Sampler it was starting to seem a little like every time they added something really new/exciting to the plugin set they wanted to charge for it, and this looked like more of the same, but the fact that these are licensed makes me feel a little better about that. And when I looked at the details it was clear that they had spent more time updating bundled plugins than they had in the live 6 update. So I am a bit more reconciled to the new pricing scheme now.

Fledz wrote: EDIT - Ah that's with all the intsruments.

Not just the instruments, but somewhere in the neighborhood of 38+ GB of sample packs, too

longjohns wrote:

Fledz wrote: EDIT - Ah that's with all the intsruments.

Not just the instruments, but somewhere in the neighborhood of 38+ GB of sample packs, too

yep thats true - but do you really need another 4 gb of bongo samples

edu pricing ? Be kind Abes, I left the job to go back to school.

It looks like a good deal for those that want to work only in Live, but for those of us who do not it seems like Live is trying too hard to compete as a one stop shop.

Personally the worst thing about Logic to me was the embedded plug ins, but honestly because of how that has to work, the maintenance of the software once it's developed is small. Basically people say that Logic is being sold as a loss leader for hardware and I would have to disagree, the plug ins were essentially done three years ago, updates have happened, but nothing major. So Logic is actually I'm sure of it, still making Apple money. Emagic didn't have the brand loyalty that Apple have, though Logic always had a group of rabid supporters, like a certain comapny whoes forum this is.

For someone like me, this update isn't offering much besides improvements to the core audio engine and MIDI timing. GURU does for me what the new drum instrument does....

MarkH wrote: I was thinking about buying Komplete 5 which is $999, then I'd still have to add at least $119 for Live 7, which comes to $1,116. I'd rather ditch Komplete 5 and spend $299 on the suite. NI's instruments sound good, but I always end up reverse engineering the overly programmed presets anyway. With Operator and Sampler today I tend to dig under the hood more and like it better...my workflow is in the same spirit as working with my hardware.

I'm having a similar debate, but I think I've found a middle ground.

I'm on 5, so I can get the 6 download, and then the 7 boxed for $40, "plus attractive instrument bundle offers at release date."

I don't know what the instrument bundles they speak of will be, but currently my pricing to get the Live 7 Suite (download version) is $399. That's a lot of extra money, IMHO, to add the instruments that come with the download version.
If the price stays at that after I've upgraded to 6, then I'll likely just get my $40 boxed version of 7, and get NI Komplete Synths.

I mean, it's $399 as well, and comes with Absynth 4, Massive, FM-8 and Pro-53. If the price is the same between the two options, I'd rather have the NI plugins. And, they'll work in my other DAW software (Logic Pro, Sonar).

We'll see. Perhaps the "attractive instrument bundle offers" will make studio $250 or something, and then I'd think about it.

Either way, I'm getting 7.

- zevo