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Post by Angstrom » Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:19 pm

the signup check of wiggly letters is called 'CAPTCHA' , and is notoriously easy to foil on phpBB. It is useless.

there are a number of third party solutions which are better.


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hypnoboobs, for example, easily separates the men from the robots ;)
exactly how much of this text did you read?

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Post by sporkles » Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:08 pm

Did I mention that you guys are all a bunch of chauvinist wankers? Most of the
exploitative content here is added by genuine users, and can usually not be
deduced from the topic titles.

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Post by Angstrom » Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:11 pm

hmm,
Chauvinism (pronounced /ˈʃoʊvɪnɪzm̩/) is extreme and unreasoning partisanship on behalf of a group to which one belongs, especially when the partisanship includes malice and hatred towards a rival group.
I don't think that anyone is proposing hatred of any other group, precisely the opposite in fact
There's a difference between sexist and sexy.

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Post by sporkles » Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:40 pm

Angstrom wrote:hmm,
Chauvinism (pronounced /ˈʃoʊvɪnɪzm̩/) is extreme and unreasoning partisanship on behalf of a group to which one belongs, especially when the partisanship includes malice and hatred towards a rival group.
I don't think that anyone is proposing hatred of any other group, precisely the opposite in fact
There's a difference between sexist and sexy.
Oh, come on! Belittling and objectifying is indeed a form of hatred. Okay,
let's start quoting dictionaries, shall we?
chau·vin·ism
n.
1. Militant devotion to and glorification of one's country; fanatical patriotism.
2. Prejudiced belief in the superiority of one's own gender, group, or kind
Finding a woman in any of the innumerable pictures posted on this forum
sexy is not sexism, but posting those pictures on this forum is. It
shows blatant lack of respect for women.
Sexism/chauvinism involves reducing women (or men, theoretically, but let's
be realistic) to objects of ridicule and "desire". And that's what's happening
on this forum - it's a boy's club extraordinare.

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Post by b0unce » Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:51 pm

sporkles wrote:
Angstrom wrote:hmm,
Chauvinism (pronounced /ˈʃoʊvɪnɪzm̩/) is extreme and unreasoning partisanship on behalf of a group to which one belongs, especially when the partisanship includes malice and hatred towards a rival group.
I don't think that anyone is proposing hatred of any other group, precisely the opposite in fact
There's a difference between sexist and sexy.
Oh, come on! Belittling and objectifying is indeed a form of hatred. Okay,
let's start quoting dictionaries, shall we?
chau·vin·ism
n.
1. Militant devotion to and glorification of one's country; fanatical patriotism.
2. Prejudiced belief in the superiority of one's own gender, group, or kind
Finding a woman in any of the innumerable pictures posted on this forum
sexy is not sexism, but posting those pictures on this forum is. It
shows blatant lack of respect for women.
Sexism/chauvinism involves reducing women (or men, theoretically, but let's
be realistic) to objects of ridicule and "desire". And that's what's happening
on this forum - it's a boy's club extraordinare.
fuck this guy, he's reaching too far and he's being amazingly hypocritical.
re: content in this forum
hatred of women ?...bullshit.
prejudiced belief in superiority of one's own gender ? ...bullshit.
ridiculing women ?...bullshit. lots of stuff gets ridiculed tho. Trance probably most of all. Perhaps Hillary Clinton or other famous women could fall into this category, but it is certainly not on the basis of her gender or our supposed gender-superiority complexes

I don't think you can link desire to chauvinism, fuck you.
sporkles wrote: Banning "rude" words is tantamount to stifling our freedom to express
ourselves
. Let's not have this forum turn into a sanctimonious stronghold
sporkles wrote: Sexism/chauvinism involves reducing women (or men, theoretically, but let's
be realistic
) to objects of ridicule and "desire". And that's what's happening
on this forum - it's a boy's club extraordinare.
ya, let's be realistic. You're obviously aware this board is a sausage fest, so what's your problem ? Men are attracted to women, and they'll express that if they're allowed to.


you're a shithead.
the end.
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Post by mohler » Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:06 pm

b0unce, possibly a little harsh ^^^^^^^ but on this occasion I'm tending to agree with you.
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Post by Angstrom » Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:42 pm

sporkles wrote: Finding a woman in any of the innumerable pictures posted on this forum
sexy is not sexism, but posting those pictures on this forum is. It
shows blatant lack of respect for women.
Sexism/chauvinism involves reducing women (or men, theoretically, but let's
be realistic) to objects of ridicule and "desire". And that's what's happening
on this forum - it's a boy's club extraordinare.
incorrect

the idea that posting images of women reduces all women to only the specific trait that is illustrated in that image is erroneous. It merely illustrates that particular trait, one that we enjoy.
And interpreting an image which demonstrates one mode of the totality of womanhood in such a fervently anti-man way says more about you than it does about anyone else.

Example:
Image

Incorrect Interpretation : all women are businesswomen, and no more

Image

Incorrect Interpretation : all women are mountaineers, and no more

The reason that men post images of women looking sexual is because heterosexual men enjoy women being and looking sexual. That is logical natural mammalian behaviour.

That behaviour does not in any way 'reduce' all women to that mode, it merely illustrates that mode. Pretending that it is anything else is ludicrous, bizarre and comes from outmoded 1970's era feminism.

Modern feminism is very different. Both of those luscious breast images were sent to me by my girlfriend. Who is a burlesque dancer. I'd be interested to hear your ill informed ideas about that occupation.
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Post by sparklepuff » Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:45 pm

where are the BOOBIES??
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Post by ze2be » Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:54 pm

Angstrom wrote:Incorrect Interpretation : all women are mountaineers, and no more
:lol:

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Post by mohler » Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:30 pm

sparklepuff wrote:where are the BOOBIES??
+1 (or should that be 2)
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Post by sporkles » Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:13 pm

Angstrom wrote:
incorrect

the idea that posting images of women reduces all women to only the specific trait that is illustrated in that image is erroneous. It merely illustrates that particular trait, one that we enjoy.
And interpreting an image which demonstrates one mode of the totality of womanhood in such a fervently anti-man way says more about you than it does about anyone else.

Example:

Incorrect Interpretation : all women are businesswomen, and no more

Incorrect Interpretation : all women are mountaineers, and no more

The reason that men post images of women looking sexual is because heterosexual men enjoy women being and looking sexual. That is logical natural mammalian behaviour.

That behaviour does not in any way 'reduce' all women to that mode, it merely illustrates that mode. Pretending that it is anything else is ludicrous, bizarre and comes from outmoded 1970's era feminism.

Modern feminism is very different. Both of those luscious breast images were sent to me by my girlfriend. Who is a burlesque dancer. I'd be interested to hear your ill informed ideas about that occupation.
Nice. Are you trying to bate me into talking shite about your girlfriend? As long as all parties involved are voluntarily involved, I don't even mind hardcore pornography. If the majority of pictures posted of women on this forum aren't reductive, how come they all seem to focus on the exact same thing?
What I'm talking about here is how so many people complain about the pornography bot posts – which usually have very revealing topic titles, so avoiding them is pretty damn easy – while most of the tackiest pictures are in fact provided by actual users, often without any sort of connection to the actual topic. I'm not the one saying that all women are (insert fitting adjective or noun). I'm talking about the view on women that is presented through their pictorial representation on the forum.

Oh, yes – very clever posting that picture of a businesswoman. You really got me there. Why don't you start posting pictures of businesswomen completely out of context, then? The pictures posted of women here are almost exclusively of a sexual nature, reducing women to a stereotypical mould, i.e. big tits, slim waist, etc. Most of the remaining 5% or so are of women found by the poster to be "ugly". How is this not ridiculing women? Altogether, there are surprisingly few businesswomen and mountaineers pictured on this forum – possibly because they don't have a whole lot to do with music production. On the whole, I really don't find this forum all that inviting to women – or to anyone who doesn't conform to the (insecure) heterosexual man (perhaps 'boy' is more fitting) mentality, considering the amazing number of occurrences of words like "tits" and "gay", the latter always denoting a negative attitude towards something.

Oh – this one is so good that I have to quote it one more time:
Angstrom wrote:The reason that men post images of women looking sexual is because heterosexual men enjoy women being and looking sexual. That is logical natural mammalian behaviour.
So the first instinct of a male mammal who's attracted to a female mammal is to post a nude picture of her on the internet? Get real!

Look - I know I'm wasting my time here. I merely chimed in on the debate. I'm not out to police the board or anything - I'd just like to see at least a shred of creativity when posting here just for the sake of banter. I like a bit of banter as much as anyone, but a huge percentage of what's being posted here is pure bollocks.

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Post by pixelbox » Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:22 pm

sporkles wrote: So the first instinct of a male mammal who's attracted to a female mammal is to post a nude picture of her on the internet? Get real!
You are right. Actually, the first instinct of a male mammal who is attracted to a female mammal is to engage in sexual relations with said mammal as soon as they can make the opportunity happen. If that is not possible, then they masturbate, post a pic, and masturbate again. After that, they'll probably masturbate.
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Post by djadonis206 » Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:24 pm

sporkles wrote:
Angstrom wrote:
incorrect

the idea that posting images of women reduces all women to only the specific trait that is illustrated in that image is erroneous. It merely illustrates that particular trait, one that we enjoy.
And interpreting an image which demonstrates one mode of the totality of womanhood in such a fervently anti-man way says more about you than it does about anyone else.

Example:

Incorrect Interpretation : all women are businesswomen, and no more

Incorrect Interpretation : all women are mountaineers, and no more

The reason that men post images of women looking sexual is because heterosexual men enjoy women being and looking sexual. That is logical natural mammalian behaviour.

That behaviour does not in any way 'reduce' all women to that mode, it merely illustrates that mode. Pretending that it is anything else is ludicrous, bizarre and comes from outmoded 1970's era feminism.

Modern feminism is very different. Both of those luscious breast images were sent to me by my girlfriend. Who is a burlesque dancer. I'd be interested to hear your ill informed ideas about that occupation.
Nice. Are you trying to bate me into talking shite about your girlfriend? As long as all parties involved are voluntarily involved, I don't even mind hardcore pornography. If the majority of pictures posted of women on this forum aren't reductive, how come they all seem to focus on the exact same thing?
What I'm talking about here is how so many people complain about the pornography bot posts – which usually have very revealing topic titles, so avoiding them is pretty damn easy – while most of the tackiest pictures are in fact provided by actual users, often without any sort of connection to the actual topic. I'm not the one saying that all women are (insert fitting adjective or noun). I'm talking about the view on women that is presented through their pictorial representation on the forum.

Oh, yes – very clever posting that picture of a businesswoman. You really got me there. Why don't you start posting pictures of businesswomen completely out of context, then? The pictures posted of women here are almost exclusively of a sexual nature, reducing women to a stereotypical mould, i.e. big tits, slim waist, etc. Most of the remaining 5% or so are of women found by the poster to be "ugly". How is this not ridiculing women? Altogether, there are surprisingly few businesswomen and mountaineers pictured on this forum – possibly because they don't have a whole lot to do with music production. On the whole, I really don't find this forum all that inviting to women – or to anyone who doesn't conform to the (insecure) heterosexual man (perhaps 'boy' is more fitting) mentality, considering the amazing number of occurrences of words like "tits" and "gay", the latter always denoting a negative attitude towards something.

Oh – this one is so good that I have to quote it one more time:
Angstrom wrote:The reason that men post images of women looking sexual is because heterosexual men enjoy women being and looking sexual. That is logical natural mammalian behaviour.
So the first instinct of a male mammal who's attracted to a female mammal is to post a nude picture of her on the internet? Get real!

Look - I know I'm wasting my time here. I merely chimed in on the debate. I'm not out to police the board or anything - I'd just like to see at least a shred of creativity when posting here just for the sake of banter. I like a bit of banter as much as anyone, but a huge percentage of what's being posted here is pure bollocks.
no it matters and while the 'holier than thou' crowd swears by posting pictures of the virgin mary

I for one post random ot pictures of hot chicks (namely Paris Hilton) all the time for no other reason other than for my own amusement

so

you're right ;)


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Post by UKRuss » Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:52 pm

You've all got a butt fuckingly good point on the issue.

When does the shagging start? :?

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Post by Tone Deft » Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:00 pm

sporkles wrote:Look - I know I'm wasting my time here. I merely chimed in on the debate. I'm not out to police the board or anything - I'd just like to see at least a shred of creativity when posting here just for the sake of banter. I like a bit of banter as much as anyone, but a huge percentage of what's being posted here is pure bollocks.
thanks for YOUR contribution, really creative whining you've got going. :roll:
I wish more people were like you, then this forum would be all kinds of fun.

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