French B**tards

[cyclyk]

And Mosca you have an amazing country (people!!).... and of course Beer too



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[Guest]

! Americans are generally fat fucks but at least they are cool.

word. I doubt that many of us music-making Live using americans are "fat fucks", though no offense taken. I personally think that France has some subconscious bitter pride thing going cause we fucking saved their sorry asses (and you too, UK) in WW II--how quickly they forget and cop some serious attitude. Listen up toolbags--if it wasn't for our blessed country getting involved back then, the world as we know it would be WAY different, and there probably wouldn't be a France--so swallow your bullshit pride and own up to the fact that if it weren't for America you would even have a fucking country to be such snobbish assholes about. I'm sure there are nice french people, but in my two time to Paris, I never found one. Fuck you France.

Ryan[/quote]


Oooh you really are heading into dangerous territory now Ryan!

do yourself a favour and don't allow yourself to be manipulated by the machine so easily, the Bush administation survives purely because of ignorant misinformation like that. Dont affiliate yourself with government agendas, normal French people are, guess what, just like you! - normal human beings! - just like the Iraqis and Afganis!

Get over the stupid gung-ho patriot crap - you're a human being, citizen of the world and if you want patriotism you should also be held accountable for all the bad things - of which there are more than you would ever like to know.


The version of history you are citing is the clean cut, john wayne corporate US media 'history is written by the winners' version. You wouldn't even like to know, but quite alot of the John Wayne etc WW2 films were actually about British missions, but the film producers made them American!

Unfortunately the truth is nothing like that glamourous. Your glorious US of A didn't get involved in the war sooner because they were making so much money arming the Nazis. Just like they did with Iraq, and Iran. Even the Brits didn't realise how dangerous Hitler was until it was too late.

Truth is Hitler never would have got that strong without american help, so for god's sake don't ever delude your self that america saved anybody's asses. -

Was it okay in 1939 to sit back and watch while an evil dictator far, far deadlier than Saddam Hussein could ever hope to dream of casually take over Europe??? 1941???!! how many people do you think had died by 1941????

Nobody's denying the help USA eventually gave, not at all, alot of good people fought and died - but that's the point, if you're going to then, 60 years down the line pipe up and boast with crap like that at the 'achievements' of your past governments in their help, then you want to also hang your head in shame at all the deeply, deeply sick obscene inhumane appallingly evil things your government did then and continues right up to this very day to do. Iraq is small proof. The American government deserved Vietnam - but who paid the price? American and Australian kids who had no idea why they were there, and hundreds of thousands of innocent Vietnamese.

But you wont hear that version of reality easily because the American empire is far more stealthy than the previous ones, they pretend they don't even have an empire, they just run the world in a cold and mindless way by buying their way into everything, even if it means the little people whose names we cant pronounce lose their lives, livelihood, homes or way of life.

Globalisation is the real enemy.

The evil is in government and corporations and always has been and will be. That kind of power and wealth is just too tempting for a few slightly evolved apes to resist. They're not us, we're the real people because we haven't been exposed to their surreal level of power. The world is changing because the world knows how much evil Britain and America have spread and things like Iraq are very very dangerous indeed.

Like I said, do yourself a favour and keep out of the patriot crap and don't affiliate with these evil bastards - and do what you can to get rid of them.

[quandry]

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[forge]

so just to clarify, when I said "french B**tards" I was referring to the footballers who demolished england in extra time. They are, and always will be French bastards - in the same way that anyone who is better than you is a bastard.

This is in no way affiliated with the war that happened 60 years ago, nor to the price of eggs in bolivia, nor the colour of Kylies knickers and any similarity to any persons living or dead is entirely coincidental.

[Guest]

just for curiosoty, which is your favorite euro2004 stadium , i´ve one , and its the one from my club, but wanted to know your opinion

[Guest]

The red one in Lisbon, from Benfica (?) I think.

[peeddrroo]

apparently i'm one of the only frenchman writing on this forum (at least on this thread), so i'll have a quick word about the preceding posts:

firstly, i really don't understand why american people are pissed off just because a country decided not to join them in this stupid war, and why it would deserve a "fuck you", or anything that's been written ar said in the american media. we just have the right to have different opinions.

secondly, there is no doubt that in france, everybody is concerned by the fact that america (but not only) has saved us from a disaster during WW2. we owe to this coalition, no doubt. but if lafayette didn't come in the 18th century, maybe the US would be in the commonwealth now, and you would be english citizens (you wouldn't still like french people, though).

thirdly, ryan, if during your visits in france you had the attitude that you show us on this thread, i don't wonder why you didn't meet any cool french ppl.

and finally, YES, we have a great football team. though i've spent some time in england, and i LOVE english football. but they don't do too good when playing continental teams.
anyway, i'd love to see a revenge for the finals.

[Guest]

. but if lafayette didn't come in the 18th century, maybe the US would be in the commonwealth now, and you would be english citizens (you wouldn't still like french people, though).
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he he, you've just exceeded the majority of most american's history knowledge - I'm sure many still think Mel Gibson saved those few colonials from the almighty strength of the British Empire on his braun alone.

Did you know that at the time of the war of independence the Brits were earning more from the sugar plantations in Jamaica than from the entire 13 states of america, add to this the rivalry with France at the time - meaning if they put their resources into fighting for america they would have been vulnerable to the French. So if you look at it that wayit's actually the Americans who owe their independence to the French, and the US was returning the favour in WW2, SO NOW YOU'RE EVEN GUYS, OK!!!

But then if you also add the recent discovery of Australia as another reason the Brits weren't bothered about the american colony, then they owed the aussies too!!!! And as for the Brits, well goes without saying you wouldn't even exist.

SO AMERICA - SEE WW2 AS REPAYING YOUR DUES!!!

But then finally, I didn't mention Jamaica and their profitability as one of the main reasons - so that means YOU STILL OWE JAMAICA!!!!!!!!!!!

[peeddrroo]

But then finally, I didn't mention Jamaica and their profitability as one of the main reasons - so that means YOU STILL OWE JAMAICA!!!!!!!!!!!

actually, WE ALL OWE JAMAICA. but maybe not for the same reasons.
and as forge said: GIVE US A BETA, and quickly, otherwise soon there wont be a living tester, with all this fighting!

[Guest]

today was the final nail in my coffin of never ever believing in engerland.

I'm not in "america_land" and I'm a football fan...but not only is this a music forum, but you can all keep your insults, and you can keep your hooligans, and if you have to generalise about anyone outside the uk, then you should get it considering the way the english behave abroad.

[special ed]

i just want to clearly state one thing. i being one born in america am completly embarassed by people like ryan and the bullshit arrogant pride like statements that he made. his mentality does not reflect everyones in this country, although it is rather common, unfortunatly. whoever the guest was that made the really long post stating the facts about the us aiding hitler, i have one thing to say, excellent post man, that is the truth that the majority of these sorry ass americans dont want to accept. im so fucking embarassed to be considered one of them, in fact the worse thing anyone can call me is an american, people that think as i do here are a small minority and have absolutely no say in anything here.
also, i have never been to france, i would really like to visit it though, im quite sure that just like any other place in the world, there are assholes and good people. if people here in the us want to talk about arrogance, they should look at themselves, the aura of it here is like unto a disease. the women here are in my opinion nasty plastic britneyspearwannabes, and the guys weak and so willing to sell themselves out just to sleep with them. french people that i have met here did not seem to be to that extreme. but then again america is the most hyprocritical nation i could ever fucking imagine. just look at the real "terrorism" within its borders, racism, facism, corporate monopoly, greed, exploitation, i could go on and on. by the way french people, i really gained alot of respect for france for not going with the flow and jumping into a bullshit war, it shows that as a nation, you seem to be much more secure with yourselves and dont feel like you need to prove something. it definently makes you a much more soveriegn nation. germany as well. actually the blood that flows through my veins is both french and german, that said, i feel proud of that due in to the fact that those two nations opposed the iraqi genocide. i just wish there was a day that i could go back and live in the land of my heritage, and wash my hands of the us, in which i feel like a prisoner, and the crime i committed was just owning my identity.

peace

[Guest]

then you should get it considering the way the english behave abroad.

yep, all 60 million of em

[peeddrroo]

well, this thread is probably completely off topic, but is a nice way --at least for me-- to wait for the beta (i guess we'll soon forget it).
anyway, if you want my opinion: don't be ashamed of being US or whatever, it's not you're fault, as i don't have any reason to be proud of being french. i mean we've been fucking assholes in the past, and on this war we did it good (probably because chirac knew soon he wouldn't make any money out of it, but still...)
anyway, the way we talk about it in france, is more about the bush administration decisions and stuff than about the people who elected them (and we still remember these elections).
your president is without a doubt a real threat. he might or might not be representative of the citizens, but as a reminder, the extreme right wing made a score of 20% in the last french elections. so we don't have much to be proud of either.
as for the french being arrogant and the US being "fat fucks", i just think that the worst is people who are prejudiced.
i think intelligent people from any country will always be looking for peace. unfortunately, they are not always the ones who have the power.

this beta gets me philosophical...
but if it doesn't come soon, i think i might get VIOLENT!!!!!

[Guest]

i just want to clearly state one thing. i being one born in america am completly embarassed by people like ryan and the bullshit arrogant pride like statements that he made. his mentality does not reflect everyones in this country, although it is rather common, unfortunatly. whoever the guest was that made the really long post stating the facts about the us aiding hitler, i have one thing to say, excellent post man, that is the truth that the majority of these sorry ass americans dont want to accept. im so fucking embarassed to be considered one of them, in fact the worse thing anyone can call me is an american, people that think as i do here are a small minority and have absolutely no say in anything here.
also, i have never been to france, i would really like to visit it though, im quite sure that just like any other place in the world, there are assholes and good people. if people here in the us want to talk about arrogance, they should look at themselves, the aura of it here is like unto a disease. the women here are in my opinion nasty plastic britneyspearwannabes, and the guys weak and so willing to sell themselves out just to sleep with them. french people that i have met here did not seem to be to that extreme. but then again america is the most hyprocritical nation i could ever fucking imagine. just look at the real "terrorism" within its borders, racism, facism, corporate monopoly, greed, exploitation, i could go on and on. by the way french people, i really gained alot of respect for france for not going with the flow and jumping into a bullshit war, it shows that as a nation, you seem to be much more secure with yourselves and dont feel like you need to prove something. it definently makes you a much more soveriegn nation. germany as well. actually the blood that flows through my veins is both french and german, that said, i feel proud of that due in to the fact that those two nations opposed the iraqi genocide. i just wish there was a day that i could go back and live in the land of my heritage, and wash my hands of the us, in which i feel like a prisoner, and the crime i committed was just owning my identity.

peace

nice one special ed!

I don't see it as just America either - these days it's getting more and more that way the world over - because that is the nature of capitalism and globalisation - it just appears american because america is the richest nation so alot of the corporations and power structure is american, but I think the real power goes even beyond governments and nations, because money transcends the reigns of power. Bush bought that election wth oil money. And there is still the danger he could do it again, simply because he has so much more than Kerry for the campaing trail.

But like pedro said, there's no need to feel ashamed of it, just don't buy into the gung-ho patriot crap. There are alot of great things about alot of the american people, and alot of great things the american identity represents

I think we're just discovering that the biggest weakness of a system like americas is that it can be bought too easily, and if capitalism is unrestrained it can become immoral, even evil. Organised religion has lost most of it's power in the west, - so capitalism has no one to answer to and so it does what it likes and what it likes is to make money - as much as possible, and if that means murdering innocent people, that's what it does because it is soulless.

Things like music are the antidote because they are non-material (apart from all the farkin gear we buy!!) you can make music and be poor but still do it - it's our link to the world beyond material, or 'that which never dies' - so making music and making people feel good as our livelihoods is a very positive step.

Siddartha Buddha signing off!

sorry I just looked at how saintly that all sounded, I'm off to make tunes!

[Benshik ul]

Up here in Moscow, the Russians consider THEY crushed Hitler, which is partly true. he was actually squeezed between the Soviets and the Allied, and both Americans and Russians in their blind patriotic propaganda pretend they won the war while totally ignoring what the other did...
and now Cow Boy Ryan comes with a statement meaning:
"France doesn't have the right to disagree in anything we say because we saved it in WWII"
Stupid and childish. Pedro t'as parfaitement raison with the lafayette thing, but what are we gonna do, count the number of times we helped each other in the last 400 years? The winner will have supreme authority on others?
Even if France would have been of no help to the US, it has the right to have an opinion. Does it? Or to express yourself in the world you need to save a few countries? Should the whole third world shut the fuck up because the US and the EU give them money? Did the US liberate France for it's own good, or to dominate it, to get a grip on it and to confine it into silence and servility? If the US helps the world in order to buy their silence, then your whole "freedom" and "democracy rhetoric" falls into pieces, and hopefully your arrogant empire will do the same soon. Fuck you Ryan and FUCK BUSH
PS: there are lots of cool people in the US but their image is tarnished forever by these fuckers (image tarnished forever, strangely these words remind me Beckham last saturday )