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i hav an mpc 1000 with jjos 1 (full) and jjos 2 (demo version). i used to love it. but since ableton now does drum racks and sampling the only advantage i see with the mpc is the unique swing, which im sure will b able to b emulated in given time. if u hav an mpd 32 with ableton live, i really dont see any advantage of having an mpc. the ability to eq, compress and add as many effects as u like to each sound on ur drum rack/sample slice gives u such as advantage in shaping ur sound. makes life quicker and easier. and u can always edit stuff on ur laptop on the fly. remember ur mpc still needs to b plugged in to b used, so a laptop is still more mobile.

mpc's r great fun for sampling. as i said, as soon as ableton 7 came out i just couldnt see the point of having both. gonna sell my mpc somepoint soon.

robleighton22 wrote:i hav an mpc 1000 with jjos 1 (full) and jjos 2 (demo version). i used to love it. but since ableton now does drum racks and sampling the only advantage i see with the mpc is the unique swing, which im sure will b able to b emulated in given time. if u hav an mpd 32 with ableton live, i really dont see any advantage of having an mpc. the ability to eq, compress and add as many effects as u like to each sound on ur drum rack/sample slice gives u such as advantage in shaping ur sound. makes life quicker and easier. and u can always edit stuff on ur laptop on the fly. remember ur mpc still needs to b plugged in to b used, so a laptop is still more mobile.

mpc's r great fun for sampling. as i said, as soon as ableton 7 came out i just couldnt see the point of having both. gonna sell my mpc somepoint soon.

Well, the point with buying a mpc 500 is that it doesn't.
Yes, i can take my laptop but honestly, a mpc is just way more fun and i don't have to worry about charging because it takes generic aa's.

you have not had tactile fun until you've spent an hour with an mpc 500 or mpc 1000 and a kaosspad, sampling resampling and stringing together samples it's just amazing.

whats your method for dragging samples around pads in the drumrack, for instance if you want to set your drums up so that the kick snare and hats are always in the same location?

the first bit of music gear i had after moving on from djin was an mpc1000 and a novation ks5 synth. i learnt to make whole tracks just with them and jam live chucking in elements and taking bits out. great for quick work flow and getting a simple clean sound. i sold them both to finance my virus but sometimes miss the mpc. they are brilliant in there own way. as for mpd's, they look like nice pads but your taking all the mpc elements of the device out of it so imo loose what makes it brilliant. i think having less processes, instruments and general distractions can be a good think to teach you whats really important and to be creative.

one tip that sounds bland but has really helped me out especialy when using the mpc with Live, and other softsynths is to create templates .
the mpc w/jj os can have up to 99 programs loaded (programs are drumkits, instrument programs ie: bass, piano or whatever and typicaly they
have sample data loaded in them, but as much as i hate it I make empty instrument programs for the softsynths that I like to use the most and helps considerably.

I guess like someone said earlier, when you look at an mpc 1000 as a midi controller that you can detatch from live, put a hard drive inside, and that has it's own very intuitive sequencer, that you can build sequences songs mute tracks and what not it becomes a very attractive option. imagine if you could put a hard drive full of samples and sequences inside the mpd32
it's good like that.

starving student wrote:whats your method for dragging samples around pads in the drumrack, for instance if you want to set your drums up so that the kick snare and hats are always in the same location?

uhhhhh, click and drag?

if you click and drag one pad to another they even swap not overwrite.


there are some REALLY great things about the mpc's sequencer, but in terms of chopping a sample and setting up a program? shit, even before drum racks live was faster and easier than the mpc for that.

and you're talking about groove features? what groove features does the mpc have other than it's swing function? (which isn't that great AND you can get out of any of the new generation of akai controllers anyway.)



the MPC2000 and then 2000xl were the center of my music production for a looooonnnng time. The only thing i think it has over live is how easy it is to build up layered sequences and then mute arrange them with the "track mute" page. but really i can do the same thing with live, its just a different way of working. And besides, while it was fast to build those sequences if they were all the same length, i'm glad i don't have to copy and paste just because i now want to have a 8 bar loop over my 2 bar loops. Plus i can have sustained notes over the bar line! that was a fucking drag in the mpc.

but whatever. make music with an iron and dog balls for all i care.


.lm.

i believe you can do those things now with the mpc 1000s simult sequence or the audio tracks......I think
i know you would have killed for some audio tracks back on your 2000

sounds interesting.


maybe i'll dump my 2000xl and get a 1000 just for kicks.



.lm.

yo i used the 2000XL with live, it's great. Just need to record the audio after you do the midi, but it plays back just like a soft synth with the midi. Make sure your internal pad sound is off, it acts sort of like local control off does. Albeit somewhat complex to setup, you can use all the samples you've collected for it and just use ableton live to sequence. Also I use it to control impulse, just like a midi controller. It's a bit bulky in this new age but i'm keeping mine.. peace

bet you didn't know your mpc 1000 could do this


http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=6GFD3vThhAk

i know thats not an mpc doing that right


http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=5xpHEAqlH-o

it's got way more features now than it did when this vid was made but this vid is a good expanation


http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=-AOZyiPUsaM&NR=1

i fail to see the advantage of staring into a tiny screen and pressing buttons over using a mouse or trackpad for these applications.


yes, those are features that i would have loved in the xl when that was my workhorse... but, y'know, software is just so much better at that sort of stuff it's kind of silly.


look, I do think there are some things the MPC excells at (namely track mute and next seq), but those things just don't do it for me.



(I posted this before watching the third video, so i don't know what's on there yet, maybe it'll blow my mind)


.lm.