WTF is wrong with me? I'm listening to Prog Rock

oblique strategies · Post by **oblique strategies** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:35 pm

landrvr1 wrote: Goblin = Awesome Dawn of the Dead soundtrack...

Goblin's Suspiria soundtrack too -ultra Goth Prog!

oblique strategies · Post by **oblique strategies** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:39 pm

Since I haven't noticed them mentioned yet, check out Gentle Giant. British band:

Their song So Sincere on the album The Power And The Glory is Stravinsky rock! Amazing weirdness.

Their other top album is Free Hand.

Some of their other albums are dodgy though... Go for their best.

landrvr1 · Post by **landrvr1** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:41 pm

Tone Deft wrote:
Darwinist wrote:Prog has no soul? Nonsense. Bad prog has no soul.

This, however, has. In spades. One of the most underrated prog band IMO:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZzLPf_zyKk

EDIT: On second thought, Kansas was never a pure prog rock band. They sort of straddled the middle ground between southern hard rock, prog and the older hippy stuff of the late 60s. Overall a great band, but I stand by my claim that The Pinnacle is one of the greatest prog songs ever.
IMO <-- stress that
still lacking any soul, emotion yes, soul no. by soul I mean that thing that was carried back from Africa that makes the blues wail, rock gets its swagger from, that thing that makes your head bop.

this stuff strikes me as white boy music, derived from European composers, lacking that connection to African music (or rather music of the first African Americans.) that's what mainly draws me to music, that's what I like, that's what I'm not hearing in all this.

some interesting tunes nonetheless.

White Boy Music.

So, so true.

Not sure about the Swagger part, though. Liszt - uber white boy of Days Gone By - would probably object.

...

landrvr1 · Post by **landrvr1** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:45 pm

oblique strategies wrote:Since I haven't noticed them mentioned yet, check out Gentle Giant. British band:

Their song So Sincere on the album The Power And The Glory is Stravinsky rock! Amazing weirdness.

Their other top album is Free Hand.

Some of their other albums are dodgy though... Go for their best.

Gentle Giant, definitely. Excellent stuff.

Tull would certainly fit the bill here nicely.

ELP gets my vote for worst Prog band ever. I have never sat through an entire song, and probably never will. Dunno. Something so wrong about them.

...

Darwinist · Post by **Darwinist** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:49 pm

Tone Deft:

If you measure soul simply as a quantity of "funk" or "groove" then yes I agree with you, prog has no soul. But I think your perspective is limited. Blues, Jazz, Rock, all great music but there's tons of passion and soul in the western tradition as well. It's just articulated differently.

If you aren't feeling it, then you aren't feeling it, different strokes and all that, but I suspect if you dug a little deeper into it you'd find many things to enjoy in the music.

For a more funk-influenced Kansas track, see this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvkiq0D0HUQ

or this, probably their biggest hit apart from Dust In the Wind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB17uWuBrL0

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:02 pm

crazy getting lessons on Kansas on the Live forum. take that Daft Punk!!!

closer stuff, more into the raunchy rock.

music is difficult to characterize. at this point I will not drop a line about dancing about architecture.

landrvr1 · Post by **landrvr1** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:03 pm

I feel at this point that one must mention Marillion. Fish era. Not the other ponce.

They started taking Prog into an interesting direction before it all fell to shit.

...

dhilsabeck · Post by **dhilsabeck** » Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:15 pm

Kansas is playing the Alaska state fair this year.

Do I go???

I kindof regret not going to see Styx and really regret not seeing Ted Nugent a few years back.

Well, I don't really regret not seeing the Nuge, but I definitley regret passing on Styx.

But Kansas?!?

bgc · Post by **bgc** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:43 am

Magma.
Ruins.
Tortoise.

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?

oblique strategies · Post by **oblique strategies** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:09 am

Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway - greatness!

condra · Post by **condra** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:48 am

Tone Deft wrote: this stuff strikes me as white boy music, derived from European composers, lacking that connection to African music (or rather music of the first African Americans.) that's what mainly draws me to music, that's what I like, that's what I'm not hearing in all this.

some interesting tunes nonetheless.

I can see where you're coming from, and I also have a tendency to dislike stuff that sounds too "white", like a lot of American Country & Western stuff for example.

I don't know what's come over me with this recent prog/kraut/folk tip.

adventurepants_ · Post by **adventurepants_** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:59 am

Darwinist wrote:Tone Deft:

If you measure soul simply as a quantity of "funk" or "groove" then yes I agree with you, prog has no soul. But I think your perspective is limited. Blues, Jazz, Rock, all great music but there's tons of passion and soul in the western tradition as well. It's just articulated differently.

If you aren't feeling it, then you aren't feeling it, different strokes and all that, but I suspect if you dug a little deeper into it you'd find many things to enjoy in the music.

For a more funk-influenced Kansas track, see this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvkiq0D0HUQ

or this, probably their biggest hit apart from Dust In the Wind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB17uWuBrL0

i dont mind a bit of southern rock at all, but there is nothing remotely 'funky' about that Kansas track. Western Swing and funk swing are completely different animals.

im not sure how Kansas gets called prog either!

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:08 am

landrvr1 wrote:I feel at this point that one must mention Marillion. Fish era. Not the other ponce.

They started taking Prog into an interesting direction before it all fell to shit.

...

marillion? gentle giant?
fucking horrible.

brah, you just lost what little credibility you had.

.lm.

condra · Post by **condra** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:40 am

Thanks for all the suggestions to those who gave them. I tried to check out as many as I could.

Who suggested Neal Morse???
I checked out Neal Morse ('The Man's Gone) and it was waahhaaayyy too "white" and Christiany for my usual taste.
The lyrics way too sincere, patronising, preachy and meaningful for me.
Ugh. Not enjoyable. Listening to it made me feel guilty for being atheist. Dude brought up his son to sing with him half way through the song. Fucking American whiter than white middle class goodie two-shoes Christian family-value bullshit IMO. Sorry.

Gentle Giant. Not my kinda thing though I appreciate the musicianship.

Riverside. Not my kinda thing though I appreciate the musicianship. Cheesy choice of synth sounds.

Goblin! Hahah yeah thats good shit. Makes me wanna eat junk food and play Space Invaders.
OMFG - The song "Tenebre"- UM JUSTICE Phantom?? WTF? Im having a Daft Punk moment with Justice right now. Un fucking believable.

chaibuka · Post by **chaibuka** » Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:32 am

Kind of prog - but funky could be Weather Report.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5c3H6LpLZI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov3ZlZcg1-U