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is this thread still goin? there fuckin doin Kung Fu!

adventurepants_ wrote:i just wish they would concentrate on the Live stuff and ditch the arrangement enhancements. To me tracking in Reaper is a million times easier than in Live.

but Live is fooking awesome for jamming and looping and running crazy fx racks, those to me are its strengths. If they made midi work properly, it could finally be the centre of a Live hardware jamming and control centre. It is a very fragile program, and is absolutely the pickiest when it comes to hardware configurations. Live is the only program I use that feels sluggish on a quad core. Reaper screams, even when running lots of plugins, and the interface is snappy. In a 3mb install file. Live cant compete with these programs for tracking and arranging, Im not sure why its bothering.

Live 8 = Native Looping, tight as hell midi timing, better library management, better control of ext hardware, and rewrite the sluggish graphics engine.

whos with me??

+1

I had a dream last night that there was a new live 8 and that each feature would be revealed on week at a time. The first new feature to be revealed was a new set of guitar effects called "guitar amp". Needless to say I was very disappointed.

JJarvis wrote:I had a dream last night that there was a new live 8 and that each feature would be revealed on week at a time. The first new feature to be revealed was a new set of guitar effects called "guitar amp". Needless to say I was very disappointed.

Sounds like a boring dream.. Start watching some zombie movies

friend_kami wrote:

adventurepants_ wrote:i just wish they would concentrate on the Live stuff and ditch the arrangement enhancements. To me tracking in Reaper is a million times easier than in Live.

but Live is fooking awesome for jamming and looping and running crazy fx racks, those to me are its strengths. If they made midi work properly, it could finally be the centre of a Live hardware jamming and control centre. It is a very fragile program, and is absolutely the pickiest when it comes to hardware configurations. Live is the only program I use that feels sluggish on a quad core. Reaper screams, even when running lots of plugins, and the interface is snappy. In a 3mb install file. Live cant compete with these programs for tracking and arranging, Im not sure why its bothering.

Live 8 = Native Looping, tight as hell midi timing, better library management, better control of ext hardware, and rewrite the sluggish graphics engine.

whos with me??

+1

+1.5

i really doubt they will announce anything before their Buy Live and get Operator Free promo ends

sweetjesus wrote:i really doubt they will announce anything before their Buy Live and get Operator Free promo ends

...which is October 30th. Interested to see that they have just removed the dates from the Banner heading on the home page though...

So here's a possible scenario...:

October 08: Live 8 big announcement hits the news, generates fresh interest/attention

November 08: public beta testing phase

November/December 08: "Buy Live 7, get upgrade to Live 8 free" promotion. This would bring in the Xmas sales and stores could offload existing Live 7 stock.

January 09: Live 8 product release at NAMM 2009.

All of the above including Cycling '74 partnership product, bundles, etc.

Plausible...?

headquest wrote:

sweetjesus wrote:

All of the above including Cycling '74 partnership product, bundles, etc.

Plausible...?

like a new instruments, while cycling74 gets a new and improved ui?
oops, already been there. my bad.

Live has been pretty stable to me in L6 and 7. A lot of crashes on this and other programs is caused by hardware conflicts, drivers and all the other variables when it's possible to have about 6 trillion configurations on PC and even on a Mac these days since they started farting about with cheap FW chipsets and soundcards to economize like the PC big box builders you're not onto a sure fire thing stability wise.

I had 2 crashes in L7 in beta and only 1 crash when I basically totally overloaded my ageing laptop with a zillion tracks and plugins in Live 7. On restart it recovered the work and no probs with a few more track freezes and a step up in latency to ease the CPU load.

Ableton have already started down the DAW road, I don't think they should give that up either. I'm sorry, but I am a Live user who is not into Live performance or DJing, and want to retire Cubase. So while I'm all for extra 'cool' tools for live performance if it makes the original buyers of L1,2 and 3 happy, I also want things like crossfading audio tracks in arrangement, folder tracks and better dual monitor support etc.

But if L8 didn't materialize until 2010 I wouldn't care.

adventurepants_ wrote:i just wish they would concentrate on the Live stuff and ditch the arrangement enhancements. To me tracking in Reaper is a million times easier than in Live.

I wish the opposite.

dysanfel wrote:

adventurepants_ wrote:i just wish they would concentrate on the Live stuff and ditch the arrangement enhancements. To me tracking in Reaper is a million times easier than in Live.

I wish the opposite.

Me too
Solution to this will be, 2 diif packages...
1 Ableton studio (with arrange and lott of other midi stuff and enhancements)
2 ableton live without arrangement and stuff.

Well dunno, maybe its a shitty idea

lola wrote:

dysanfel wrote:

adventurepants_ wrote:i just wish they would concentrate on the Live stuff and ditch the arrangement enhancements. To me tracking in Reaper is a million times easier than in Live.

I wish the opposite.

Me too
Solution to this will be, 2 diif packages...
1 Ableton studio (with arrange and lott of other midi stuff and enhancements)
2 ableton live without arrangement and stuff.

Well dunno, maybe its a shitty idea

its certainly not the first time its been suggested. i could see a day when they did this in a few years time. Live does suffer from a bit of dual personality at the moment. Im not sure why they decided to go head to head with Logic in the last release, but im sure they have market research and focus groups and so on.

i just think its a shame that they invented a brand new paradigm, the Live sequencer. then for the last couple of releases, they are diluting that by adding all these things that other DAWS have had for years, but not adding basics like Folder tracks etc. If they concentrated on nothing but Session View for the next release, I would pay them whatever they asked for it.

my guess

Live 8:

Video output to projector/external display: so headz into av live performance realmz

+ c74 diy plugins/instruments



announced Oct

leedsquietman wrote:Live has been pretty stable to me in L6 and 7. A lot of crashes on this and other programs is caused by hardware conflicts, drivers and all the other variables when it's possible to have about 6 trillion configurations on PC and even on a Mac these days since they started farting about with cheap FW chipsets and soundcards to economize like the PC big box builders you're not onto a sure fire thing stability wise.

I had 2 crashes in L7 in beta and only 1 crash when I basically totally overloaded my ageing laptop with a zillion tracks and plugins in Live 7. On restart it recovered the work and no probs with a few more track freezes and a step up in latency to ease the CPU load.

Ableton have already started down the DAW road, I don't think they should give that up either. I'm sorry, but I am a Live user who is not into Live performance or DJing, and want to retire Cubase. So while I'm all for extra 'cool' tools for live performance if it makes the original buyers of L1,2 and 3 happy, I also want things like crossfading audio tracks in arrangement, folder tracks and better dual monitor support etc.

But if L8 didn't materialize until 2010 I wouldn't care.

+1111

custom touchscreen control for ableton created by cycling74 : )


http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=97756


can be the more usefull thing in the history of live : )