OT... Is this Nibiru?

forge · Post by **forge** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:33 pm

funknotik wrote: Sitchin's ideas have been appropriated by Raël, another wise man, who has started his own religion (Raëlian Religion) around the idea that humans are the result of a DNA experiment by ancient visitors from outer space. Raël has even written a channeled book, dictated to him by extraterrestrials. It is called The Final Message. Other proponents of his tremendous steaming pile of bullshit are...My personal favorite wacko, DAVID ICKE!

now that guy is really funny!

he's also a singer/songwriter

apparently the Japanese are aliens: http://rael.org/rael_content/rael_summary.php

I particularly like the message to paedophiles on the front page! http://rael.org

gomi · Post by **gomi** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:30 pm

Emissary wrote: thats a pretty poor attempt to discredit someone work. almost laughable. read the books, then we can talk, until that point its like having an argument about finance with a toddler.

arguing about bullcrap on the internet is serious business.

ethios4 · Post by **ethios4** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:10 pm

Sadly, I know what you mean about psytrance culture. I absolutely love the music, but can't swallow the bullshit.

Interesting point that pseudoscience fills the hole of religion for many people. I think that is probably true. Most people will not question anything that seems to fit their current worldview.

Meef Chaloin · Post by **Meef Chaloin** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:12 pm

interesting that science doesn't really answer shit but believers conveniently ignore this & talk like all the answers are already provided

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:46 pm

believers in science?

interesting concept there

Emissary · Post by **Emissary** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:51 pm

Meef Chaloin wrote:interesting that science doesn't really answer shit but believers conveniently ignore this & talk like all the answers are already provided

thats because science is turning into another fucking religion, people believe everything scientists say even though they change their fucking minds 6 times a day. say what you will about religion, least it sticks to its guns. and as for pseudo science, that is such a wanky trendy term used by true believers! of the great science to devalue any attempt to have constructive debate with all the information that doesn't fit their precious theories. interesting point, did you know that tectonic plates were once pseudo science...now look at it. pseudo science is a term used by the closed minded about things they dont understand or even want to understand.

forge · Post by **forge** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:00 pm

Emissary wrote:
Meef Chaloin wrote:interesting that science doesn't really answer shit but believers conveniently ignore this & talk like all the answers are already provided
thats because science is turning into another fucking religion, people believe everything scientists say even though they change their fucking minds 6 times a day. say what you will about religion, least it sticks to its guns. and as for pseudo science, that is such a wanky trendy term used by true believers! of the great science to devalue any attempt to have constructive debate with all the information that doesn't fit their precious theories. interesting point, did you know that tectonic plates were once pseudo science...now look at it. pseudo science is a term used by the closed minded about things they dont understand or even want to understand.

which "people" believe every scientist they hear? and how do they know they are 'scientists'? They might just really be old half bald men with white coats and glasses

anybody with a BSc can call themselves a scientist if they want to

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:09 pm

the thing which you have wrong is this, and it's what blinds people who WANT to beleive in unproven theories with all their heart. So that means you will not read or understand this:

I would love to believe in sky gods, love to , ab-so-lutely love to.

scientists, by and large, would love to believe in sky gods, love to , ab-so-lutely love to.

the problem is that there is no proof. They would love to beleive, but they like to have something more than 'an opinion' simple as that, just theories.
Tectonic plates became accepted due to proof. There was no conspiracy of silence, but there were conflicting theories, and one won out due to proof.

as soon as I find an interesting theory, I do a bit of research. I make sure I aim for sites that AREN'T called "indigochildren.com" or "galacticcosmictruth.org" . I simply trace the original paper that is referenced in the theory and provided as proof. If that paper says something different than the theorist claims, well I am immediately turned off that theorist as a fantasist.

In the case of the 3 billion year old footprints, the original research says something different than the theorist claims it does. In the case of the 'ancient spheres' there are much more likely theories, and similar objects which give weight to those theories. So I would give more weight to those theories.

the competing theory that the spheres are 'spherical' and 'obviously man made' and 'perfectly balanced' and 'harder than steel' , when traced back to the original works turn out to be very sadly , fictions.

of course, I will never convince you to consider both sides.
I will nbever even convince you that we both want to believe.
once you are in a cult, it is impossible to see the other side as anything other than a repressive counter.

Meef Chaloin · Post by **Meef Chaloin** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:36 pm

Angstrom wrote:believers in science?

interesting concept there

it is a belief system
believers in anything will find you proof for what they believe in. and this is where science has/is killing itself, arrogance has taken such a toll

Angstrom wrote:once you are in a cult, it is impossible to see the other side as anything other than a repressive counter.

true but also very true of a lot of science

rozling · Post by **rozling** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:45 pm

Angstrom wrote:I was a psytrancing dope smoking conspiracy 2012 ufo fool

Quality

God I'm glad this thread turned into some entertaining discussion - that kind of makes up for the time I wasted on that crappy vid.

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:47 pm

Meef Chaloin wrote:
Angstrom wrote:believers in science?

interesting concept there
it is a belief system
believers in anything will find you proof for what they believe in. and this is where science has/is killing itself, arrogance has taken such a toll

Angstrom wrote:once you are in a cult, it is impossible to see the other side as anything other than a repressive counter.
true but also very true of a lot of science

science has theories that you can light up your house with and create silicon chips with, that's pretty good for a belief system.
I can't drive my car on the power of christianity or von danikenism

I'm not some kind of evil repressive closed minded 'scientist' like these ones that conspiracy theorists have set up as their 'satanist' figure. So calm down.
I'm completely open to there being a billion things that are outside human knowledge, the thing I have an issue with is people who connect a few dots and claim that they now know things that are obviously outside human knowledge.

If I had time right now I'd cook you up a theory that sounded completely plausible by merely using a bit of folklore, an artefact and a couple of little know research papers. I could construct something so beguiling to the human psyche that people would want it to be true.

and that's what everyone has to beware of - the things you want to be true are the most perfect con game of all.

ethios4 · Post by **ethios4** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:51 pm

Angstrom wrote:as soon as I find an interesting theory, I do a bit of research. I make sure I aim for sites that AREN'T called "indigochildren.com" or "galacticcosmictruth.org" . I simply trace the original paper that is referenced in the theory and provided as proof. If that paper says something different than the theorist claims, well I am immediately turned off that theorist as a fantasist.

In the case of the 3 billion year old footprints, the original research says something different than the theorist claims it does. In the case of the 'ancient spheres' there are much more likely theories, and similar objects which give weight to those theories. So I would give more weight to those theories.

the competing theory that the spheres are 'spherical' and 'obviously man made' and 'perfectly balanced' and 'harder than steel' , when traced back to the original works turn out to be very sadly , fictions.

+1

Emissary · Post by **Emissary** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:02 pm

Angstrom wrote:the thing which you have wrong is this, and it's what blinds people who WANT to beleive in unproven theories with all their heart. So that means you will not read or understand this:

I would love to believe in sky gods, love to , ab-so-lutely love to.

scientists, by and large, would love to believe in sky gods, love to , ab-so-lutely love to.

the problem is that there is no proof. They would love to beleive, but they like to have something more than 'an opinion' simple as that, just theories.
Tectonic plates became accepted due to proof. There was no conspiracy of silence, but there were conflicting theories, and one won out due to proof.

as soon as I find an interesting theory, I do a bit of research. I make sure I aim for sites that AREN'T called "indigochildren.com" or "galacticcosmictruth.org" . I simply trace the original paper that is referenced in the theory and provided as proof. If that paper says something different than the theorist claims, well I am immediately turned off that theorist as a fantasist.

In the case of the 3 billion year old footprints, the original research says something different than the theorist claims it does. In the case of the 'ancient spheres' there are much more likely theories, and similar objects which give weight to those theories. So I would give more weight to those theories.

the competing theory that the spheres are 'spherical' and 'obviously man made' and 'perfectly balanced' and 'harder than steel' , when traced back to the original works turn out to be very sadly , fictions.

of course, I will never convince you to consider both sides.
I will nbever even convince you that we both want to believe.
once you are in a cult, it is impossible to see the other side as anything other than a repressive counter.

i constantly consider both sides, i am an avid subscriber to new scientists and often read many main stream science sites. I think science has "proved" many things. Unfortunately a vast majority is still all unproven theory. The big bang for instance and inflation, was the leading idea behind many theories, now its come about that it cant possibly have happened the way they think it did. Where does this leave science? if the LHC fails to find the higgs boson, where does that leave science? it totally fucks with their entire perception. In 100 years the theories and ideas touted as FACT right now will most probably be as laughable as those that thought the earth was flat, and maybe...just maybe a few pseudo sciences will have made it into the proven pile.

heavensdaw · Post by **heavensdaw** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:03 pm

So.. to recap...... The whole Nibiru/Planet X thing is a load of total bullshite dreamt up out of the minds of a bunch of stoner psytrance loving pseudo scientist wacko con-men.. Aimed at selling a boat load of books on tweaked out bullshite new age websites, to a totally fucked up bunch of lost needy tripped out misled idiots..

The video is a marketing tool from Microsoft (no paranoid conspiracy there then). And so obviously Lies.... Or It is just a brown dwarf that's been blatantly (and wrongly) portrayed as the 'missing' Planet X...

Got it!!

Now I'm not saying that that video is true, and maybe it isn't.. Also I'm not saying that I believe in 2012 PlanetX doomsday scenario.. But it's good to keep an open mind no?

I mean, there was times when what we so easily take for granted today was considered to be a load of mumbo jumbo...

Hd

Anyway is it time for Live 9 yet??

Emissary · Post by **Emissary** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:15 pm

heavensdaw wrote:So.. to recap...... The whole Nibiru/Planet X thing is a load of total bullshite dreamt up out of the minds of a bunch of stoner psytrance loving pseudo scientist wacko con-men.. Aimed at selling a boat load of books on tweaked out bullshite new age websites, to a totally fucked up bunch of lost needy tripped out misled idiots..

The video is a marketing tool from Microsoft (no paranoid conspiracy there then). And so obviously Lies.... Or It is just a brown dwarf that's been blatantly (and wrongly) portrayed as the 'missing' Planet X...

Got it!!

Now I'm not saying that that video is true, and maybe it isn't.. Also I'm not saying that I believe in 2012 PlanetX doomsday scenario.. But it's good to keep an open mind no?

I mean, there was times when what we so easily take for granted today was considered to be a load of mumbo jumbo...

Hd

Anyway is it time for Live 9 yet??

people always say that you have to pay for these pseudo science books, well yeah, you also have to pay for science books. does that mean they are trying to cash in on easily led idiots as well?

The books i have been reading lately such as holographic universe and human devolution are great books with many interesting points about standard science. They by and large stick to the already discovered scientific theories and explain them to someone who isnt a PHD but then explore other avenues but always in full knowledge that their theories have yet to be proved. i usually find the writers of so called pseudo science books to be highly intelligent and humble people. obviously there is some crap out there but its easily avoided by a glance at the first few paragraphs.