Ableton Forum

Posted: **Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:30 pm**

trash wrote:they might have done one good track once upon a time
but they are a bit gay lets face it...
its boys music.... geeky boys... its got about as much soul as celine dione..

it's certainly not for everyone. i didn't know that they were gay tho.

my point was that for any major daw/production software, there are certainly at least some pros using it, therefore it doesn't really matter what pros use what software, but rather what your own personal preference may be (as a response to the original post in this thread).

Posted: **Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:32 pm**

o no, i didnt mean they were homosexual
i meant it in the south park sense..
im actually bisexual myself...

Posted: **Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:33 pm**

jah4life wrote:
Machinesworking wrote: I'm seriously thinking of using Digital Performer as a secondary DAW for live/audio/MIDI editing... and the fact that DP has superior MIDI quantizing to either Logic or Live.
Yeah how come nobody's mentioned Digital Performer up til this point?

It fell off the map a bit about 6 years ago, although it was one of the very first sequencers for Mac, it had a bitch of a time porting to OSX, and in the mean time Apple bought Logic and fucked the playing field right up.
I switched to Logic right before Apple bought them and wondered how good of an idea it was. Personally I don't think it was a good idea at all. DP and Cubase on Mac have suffered because of it. It was definitely a negative for them.

The input quantize on DP completely kills Logic and Live, set it to quarter notes and everything gets quantized to divisions of quarter notes with intelligence.
Key commands are still Logics strong point though.

Posted: **Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:42 pm**

why would double penetration make logic suffer ?
is it the stretching ?

Posted: **Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:57 pm**

Comparing apples with bananas... The person saying that Logic is better than Live just doesn't understand what Live can do, and what it was meant to do...

Posted: **Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:54 am**

duluxdog wrote:... There is no harm in wanting to avoid wasting your time learning something only to later realise that you could have done something better. I'm not coming on here to defend 'professionals' or whatever. I'm just trying to find out if any of this is worthwhile. I'm interested to note that there are professionals using it to record - and i've posted lists of these to anti-Live posters in the past, in an attempt to try and convince myself that my time is being spent wisely, if you look at my previous posts - and I hope that some people are doing everything under one piece of software.

well having more strings can only be a good thing really

but if it's a matter of cost - you have to buy one or the other - then it might really just pay to work out what you're wanting to do and try the demos really

personally I think for writing/composing Live is the most intuitive, but for more mundane editing/mixing etc Logic would be the winner

if you want to record lots of multi-tracked instruments and mix them then one of the older DAWs might be mroe suitable

but you've already said you prefer the linear horizontal arrangement way of working in whcih case I think you might be happier with Logic as it's not Live's strong point

Posted: **Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:25 am**

so its all down to vertical and horizontal these days...?
this dick knows shit....

and who said you have to buy them.....
why on earth would you buy logic
its not as if apple needs any cash
let them make their money from their wanky iphones and ipods...
itwats..

Posted: **Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:15 am**

duluxdog wrote:Wow, I'm surprised this thread has caused such a strong reaction. As someone wrote above - yes, i'm quite new to computer recording. As we can seemingly agree, it doesn't ultimately matter what you do if it works for you, but I have been doing some reading to learn more and you come across statements like [paragraph about traditional DAW users moving onto Live] ... 'Ableton has witnessed this move into traditional markets, although it has also recognised that getting this client base to completely dump their workhorse working environments, such as Logic or Pro Tools, is probably not going to happen. This is partly because of of habit, but also due to Ableton not being a complete sequencer, digital audio recorder and editing environment.' (Music Tech Magazine - Ableton Live, page 8 ).

You read something like this and think - would my time learning be better invested in a different product? There is no harm in wanting to avoid wasting your time learning something only to later realise that you could have done something better. I'm not coming on here to defend 'professionals' or whatever. I'm just trying to find out if any of this is worthwhile. I'm interested to note that there are professionals using it to record - and i've posted lists of these to anti-Live posters in the past, in an attempt to try and convince myself that my time is being spent wisely, if you look at my previous posts - and I hope that some people are doing everything under one piece of software.

The responses are such, due to your original posting and title of the thread.

What you just mentioned here is something I think anyone can either understand or empathize with.

When just starting out this is always a worry, because ideally, we should all want to make sure that our only limitation in creating/writing/producing great music is our knowledge and not the program we use for the music.

With this said, the bottom line remains that you are the only one who can decide what works best for you.

Every DAW is different, meaning not only do they offer different recording options, their layouts are different. This is on purpose and has allowed many users to successfully choose the program that is most encouraging for their creativity, since we don't all think the same.

Again, this is a personal preference. Otherwise we can simply get on board with a pointless discussion of Live vs. Logic, vs. Pro Tools, vs. Cubase vs. Sonar vs. Reaper vs. all the rest. Truth is that one of these is going to be best for you, but it doesn't mean one is better. This is not Lord of the DAW's where only one will rule them all.

Good luck in deciding.

Posted: **Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:10 am**

duluxdog wrote:Wow, I'm surprised this thread has caused such a strong reaction.

Um...the title of this thread is "Logic is better than Live" right?

You didn't post it in apple's logic forums, you posted it in ableton's forums.

I'm not going to explain any further.

Duh.

Posted: **Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:07 am**

There is absolutely no Logic to your argument, how do you Live with yourself I wonder? Ableton often takes Cues from its Base of users, Acid is.
You sound FruityLoops to me maybe you lost your Traktion.
We should send the grim Reaper round to your house, that would sort you out.
There's no direction to your story, you're floating like a submarine without a Sonar. Is there a Reason you still need to be a member of this community?

Posted: **Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:46 am**

djsynchro wrote:There is absolutely no Logic to your argument, how do you Live with yourself I wonder? Ableton often takes Cues from its Base of users, Acid is.
You sound FruityLoops to me maybe you lost your Traktion.
We should send the grim Reaper round to your house, that would sort you out.
There's no direction to your story, you're floating like a submarine without a Sonar. Is there a Reason you still need to be a member of this community?

HA! That woz a gud 'un!

Posted: **Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:42 am**

I just don't get it people being unsure about "is my DAW pro enough". What it has to do with music you write? Is there significant lack of substance if it is not produced with a DAW that is not pro enough? Cause that's (is my DAW pro enough ) what the OP and most of you who got offended are worried about in the end. And I'm not saying that Live would not be pro enough.

Posted: **Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:46 am**

trash wrote: im actually bisexual myself...

Wow, you have double the chances and still no one likes you? Maybe that's why you're such an insecure little bitch.

Posted: **Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:32 pm**

I'll add my voice to the choir.

I checked out a number programs before building up my "home studio" (= dusty attic room far enough removed from the sleeping kids) and I literally jumped for joy when I found the Session view in Live.

Posted: **Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:54 pm**

duluxdog wrote:Come on then - let's hear it. Name some professionals recording full albums in Live. Que inevitable calls of 'but how do you define a professional?' blah blah blah. I mean someone who earns a full-time living from their music, who releases albums and has received coverage in music media. Not that defines whether or not the music is good - it doesn't ultimately matter if you enjoy yourself - but as a rough guide to whether or not this software is being used for recording by professionals. I'm trying to find the best way to capture my sound. I am interested in music for its own sake rather than listening to the technology that is being used.

If you can name some artists, great, but it doesn't explain why Live is not up there with Logic, Cubase and Pro Tools. There's always a whiny edge of superiority that pervades the posts on here, as though posters think they're somehow 'cutting edge' or 'taking on the establishment' because they write in Live.

Well, you wanted an artist or album, how about Daft Punks Alive 2007? Professional enough for you?