best drums for minimal techno - mnus style?

tw1nstates · Post by **tw1nstates** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:28 pm

HMMM,

I gota disagree with the varois statements of get your own sound, dont learn how to sound like other people.

When you learn any musical instrument, you learn to play other pls music, when you get good you ape certain styles.

i think you become truly excelent by learning how to make all of those other peoples styles then creating your own. Just saying make your own shit and forget about learning the rules is like saying make your own language.

Music is a communication vehicle, when it's done well it is an instant expression of emotion from the composer / player / author / whatever to the listener / dancer / participant.

Miles davis spent time learning his chops, so did Aretha, so did Stevie, so did hendrix so did slash so did whoever you hold to be valid. Why do we assume computer based music to be different? Delia Derbishire spent time learning her craft from other people, you gotta practice and practice this shit to be good. And good practice is emulating other people and then learning how you can break those rules.

my 2 cents anyways.

Enrique · Post by **Enrique** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:41 am

I agree with tw1nstates.

Let's assume the thread starter is relatively new to music production (we don't know). If he is, it's ridiculous to tell him to find his own sound (now) and make the statements that some of you made. It gets controversial when someone has the potential to create something unique, but doesn't, because he/she is afraid of being rejected or whatever and chooses to release "trendy" music instead. I call these people parasites, but that's probably not what we have here...

forge · Post by **forge** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:30 am

Robert Henke wrote: okay, in case you really have no idea:

Sample a one bar loop from some M_urx release, paste it into the arranger and make sure that one bar in arranger is really one bar of your loop.
Create a MIDI track with a drum rack with some drum sounds and place midi notes in way that they are aligned with the sonic events in the audio track.

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or warp it so that there is a warp marker on every transient (ie remove the groove) then use 'slice to new MIDI track, the MIDI clip will retain the groove, then you can change the drum rack to whatever drum machine preset you like

Nick the Zombie · Post by **Nick the Zombie** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:20 am

I think it's a great idea to learn how to create your own sounds, but I know that's not for everyone. Absolutely try to mimic your favorite artists, because you will learn how to achieve certain effects and then improve upon them in your own unique way. As I read earlier in this thread, Live really does have everything you need (and more) for doing this kind of stuff.

If I were to list a few priorities for you, I would say practice with envelopes (pitch, filter, volume) and how they function in creating your own drums. After that, try out some compression and sample start/end time modulation. With these few, powerful tools you can get SO MANY sounds. This is my opinion only; I'm not trying to tell you how to do things, just some friendly advice.

I have some free vids up at http://www.youtube.com/oubliettezombie that might be of interest to you, namely the ones about creating drums out of sound fragments. I also recommend you check out COSM's tutorials, as well as the Covert Operators videos for more useful info.

- Nick

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:34 am

one thing that has fucked me up for YEARS is reading these forums, getting into the 'electronica community' because these tools let you make that one kind of music easily and going off trying to make dance tunes. FUCK THAT. I was a (bad) guitar player before I got Live, recently I've pretty much put down synths and focused on drums/bass/guitar (then synths) it's been a LOT easier for me to get good sounds going.

never shy away from 'stealing' (how serious can you take yourself FFS!!)

keep you eye on your true roots.

learn as much as you can.

have fun.

optimistic · Post by **optimistic** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:49 am

I don't mind when someone wears their musical influences on their sleeve. Not everything has to be original. If it's good, it's good!

ollyb303 · Post by **ollyb303** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:02 am

Tone Deft wrote:nice tip, wanna try that with the Amen break.

LOL

90's child · Post by **90's child** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:27 pm

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thelike5 · Post by **thelike5** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:17 pm

I think it's funny how the genre of minimal techno now sounds like about 150 vst plug ins and effects going on all at once.

There's nothing minimal about whatever comes out on m-nus these days.

That label is quite terrible. I kinda like Marc Houle and thats about it. The goofy man-dyke-troll Magda is awful, Hearthrob/Troy Pierce/Geiser/etc/etc all sound the fucking same, (please look me in the virtual eyes and tell you hear a difference??) and worst of all Richie Hawtin now looks like he traded his skin for synthetic fibers and his clothes for a Jedi outfit.

Fuck the whole lot of them. Label is god awful; outside of the Theorem and perhaps the early Neiderfler record.

massiveheadpain · Post by **massiveheadpain** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:28 pm

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I heard you can get the cracked version on the torrents!!!

SubFunk · Post by **SubFunk** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:41 pm

massiveheadpain wrote:I know a lot of you have seen this before, but here it is again!

I heard you can get the cracked version on the torrents!!!

i need that plug!!! finally i will be able to make tunes. thanks for posting, man.

dj superflat · Post by **dj superflat** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:55 pm

in rock at least, there's a history of rank beginners who do everything "wrong" and end up doing something awesome (e.g., read up on how deerhoof recorded it's music in the beggining, insane). so technique may not be particularly necessary, may in fact discourage happy accidents. though i totally get that people often get into music because they want to emulate a certain sound (e.g., the dirty secret of DC punk rock was that everyone wanted to sound like AC/DC, hence the marshalls and SG's), and then end up taking that sound somewhere new. regardless, i hope everyone remembers their take on this next time the evil that is presets comes up (seems related, presets being yet another way into learning how to make certain sounds, a shortcut to something you can make into your own thing). also seems a little odd to fixate on emulating sounds where sampling is so easy, loops so readily available, guaranteeing there will be lots of "new" stuff that sounds lots like what came before.

glitchrock-buddha · Post by **glitchrock-buddha** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:42 pm

dj superflat wrote:in rock at least, there's a history of rank beginners who do everything "wrong" and end up doing something awesome (e.g., read up on how deerhoof recorded it's music in the beggining, insane). so technique may not be particularly necessary, may in fact discourage happy accidents. though i totally get that people often get into music because they want to emulate a certain sound (e.g., the dirty secret of DC punk rock was that everyone wanted to sound like AC/DC, hence the marshalls and SG's), and then end up taking that sound somewhere new. regardless, i hope everyone remembers their take on this next time the evil that is presets comes up (seems related, presets being yet another way into learning how to make certain sounds, a shortcut to something you can make into your own thing). also seems a little odd to fixate on emulating sounds where sampling is so easy, loops so readily available, guaranteeing there will be lots of "new" stuff that sounds lots like what came before.

I've also read that Thom Yorke said when they started a lot of their tunes came out of playing songs they liked from other artists but playing 'em wrong.

And as much I like to hear new and interesting things, I also don't really agree that you should only try to make something different that you haven't heard before. That's no more artistic necessarily. If someone else has a particular sound and it's very similar to a sound you have in your head that you want to create, who's to say you shouldn't just because they did it first? And so it makes sense that rather than starting from scraatch figuring it out, you'd ask "what are they using?", since you know that's what you're after. It's not necessarily copying either, it's just a sound you're after. To hear or write. That's why people listen to the music they listen to in the first place - because it appeals to them. It's a sound they want to hear. Of course we'd often want to write the same type of thing we like to hear. I like listening to my music. I like to think I make the kind of music that I would listen to if someone else made it first.