Sitting on the Fence - Push or Maschine

[onestep]

You really can't compare these two!
it just doesn't work.

Ableton is something completely different, than maschine.
and in my opinion it's much much much mor versatile.

Relax. Of course Ableton Live software is much more versatile than Maschine's software but that's not what's in question. What people are having a tantrum about is Push as a controller for Live and Maschine as an integrated hardware/software platform.

[deva]

on a subject he's stated he has no interest in.

skatr2, I don't need you to try to speak for me. I'm actually very interested in this subject of comparing Maschine and Push. Thanks.

No you are not... You are interested in selling Maschine and saying only good things about it and only bad about Push...

[deva]

"living dialog", eh? Sounds like something inspired by easter sunday. Too many hard-boiled eggs in your system, perhaps?

Anyway, I think the issue is that posters like deva, skatr2, panten, et al. have just been rehashing the same argument with each post. It's pretty frustrating to just keep hearing the same things from them.

Yes, that you are a troll with no honest intent... and as long as you keep trolling, some will no doubt keep pointing it out.

[deva]

panten, the bottomline is that Maschine as an integrated software/hardware combo has very real advantages over Live and Push when it comes to things like the ability to have a completely mouseless workflow, having total control of pretty much every feature of the software, plugin automapping, exclusive Komplete preset support, a hands-on sample chopping workflow such as being able to sample directly to a pad, duplicate those pads, slicing, waveform editing from the hardware...etc.

There is no question that Maschine is better at being Maschine than anything else. But that does not mean it is better at being everything else than everything else

[SilverNeedle]

I personally don't buy into bang for your buck type of products, Komplete 8 is one of those products but IMO everything in that bundle is subpar at best outside of Kontakt and it being expandable with other 3rd party libraries. I would rather have a library of the best synths and samples vs. having a sub par bundle.

?!?

Had to comment on that... Absynth? Reaktor? Fm8? They're all amazing, you could quite easily spend a year learning either of those and reap a lot of rewards as a result....

[TomViolenz]

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[yur2die4]

I probably mentioned it earlier, but there are two gripes I have with Maschine that really do intrude on my potential workflow. For the most part however, these are not really a big deal haha, I just thought I'd point them out though. Maybe one day I will get what I want

1. There is absolutely no way to turn the Record button on and off other than mouse or the controller. Sometimes I use the software without Maschine plugged in. And that leaves me with only one way to activate it, which, often times when I DO want to do that, I'll either have my hands full standalone, or if it is a vst, I'll probably actually have the interface Hidden in Live. No keyboard shortcut, no midi method, nothing. And I really like the way that Patterns work in the software! There is a direct correlation, if you can imagine.

2. You cannot change Patterns externally in any way. I know that you can change Scenes via either key, program change, or qwerty (only if you are focused properly), but fresh Scenes make New patterns. It is not very smooth to make a pseudo metronome pattern in group H, and then drop down a ton of random pattern variations on the fly in A. I basically have to rely on Live to let me make reference metronome sounds for me (and no, I'm not going to jam to the actual metronome sound. It works a lot of times, but it also sounds terrible if you're sort of going for a smooth live-ish 'session'). How do I have to change patterns? I have to use the very pads that I am trying to jam on. No good. I would prefer uninterrupted jamming on the lovely Maschine pads, and to just hop to different Patterns via a control : /. I guess the workaround, is to change Patterns via Maschine pads, and play rhythm/melody variations via Push

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[panten]

Hmmmmm.... Na, yer alright.

[dysanfel]

Too many question marks with the Push (no save or create new session?). I will revisit it next year. Spark and Maschine have several years development behind them and although Push may eventually be a better product, but in its current form I think I will not buy one.

[Zubben]

It is really annoying that Push as no lock to clip function, it really seems more fitting for production than actually playing live

[nukage]

I was pretty much sold on Push as well, but then nativekontrol.com released the Push emulation for APC40 so I've had a lot of time to play around with the push functionality without actually owning one. I'm not super impressed with it, I wish there were better ways to browse devices than just via the folders they've already set up, I tried to create a new folder for my own devices and they just appear under 'other' in the GUI. It's still pretty useful for the step seq and note modes, but now that I have those on my APC and launchpad via the aforementioned script, it seems like the main advantage to buying the push would be for the velocity sensitivity and pitch control. Also, I'm fairly disappointed that the Push workflow seems to entirely ignore sampling-- you can't even browse audio loops from your sample library. Meanwhile, a used Maschine is about half the price of a push, and I have a lot of the functionality via push emulation. The integration with ableton using their script, being able to control VST's, being able to sample, tight integration with Komplete (which I use heavily) seem to have my sold on the Maschine. Maybe they'll come out with a 64-pad version some day.

[lo.key]

quite honestly, all the py script functionality is simply icing on the cake. Its a grid of 64 pressure sensitive pads, with a ribbon controller and a bunch of knobs. There's simply no other device on the market like it in this price range. So it gets the nod.

[djadonis206]

Push is cool. I've been playing with it for the last 2 days. It's nothing like Maschine, I've owned a couple - big and small.

Before you make assumptions based on Marketing hype, YouTubes or random praises or disses, you should try to get your hands on one. Buy it or demo it.

[skatr2]

so far in my use of it, there is a lot of good and some places to improve. Especially if you are like me and start with a pre-defined template. This is truly an instrument for live made to be started from scratch. as a compositional tool though, this is where the unit seems to excel. it really is fun to play as an instrument, and this is meeting my expectations for the most part. Even if they didn't think about everything out the gate, they did consider a fair amount of functionality out of the box. The benefit I am finding with it over my maschine experience is I didn't need to learn a new set of software...or really have to sort out how it fits in when in control mode. I took my live knowledge and simply incorporated it into the push system. Maschine has its merits to some people, but for me it felt like an extra step when all I wanted was use lives or my own drum racks. I know their NI scripts have changed now to use live, but when I had it, I couldn't step sequence directly to live and setup was something I felt I was always playing with. every tutorial from the official ni ones to the random ones on youtube I saw had a different way to do it and for some reason it would randomly stop working. As I stated, I know they have made improvements here...I just can't speak to them. so far with push, the controls and navigation has worked really well for me. I generally say go with what you think will work for you. Push out of the box is very cable and may be best to get early on so the learning curve is less as improvements get made.

I would hesitate to throw spark into the mix. Spark by nature is a drum kit only and the big arturia fans will be steadfast to downplay comparisons to maschine. They are usually ok with it being that way and usually don't want it to go the way of a daw controller.