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VICTIM

Forge. wrote:sounds like I touched a nerve with my Tassie story then...

Victim?

krulecello wrote:
You have a tendency to position yourself as the victim (yes, to your credit, sometimes you change your mind and edit).

What a load of shit. You are using a bullshit hippy buzzword to excuse your own inability to co-operate or even communicate with people who have different views to your own.

You have a tendency to blame governments and corporations for the current state of things whilst conveniently ignoring your complicity in the situation.

no, considering the role governments and corporations play in all of this is not blaming, it's the real world. Lucky for you if you can create your garden utopia with minimal government or corporate interference, but you'll struggle with that when central victoria is a desert because passionate people like yourself refused to see that you can't solve problems like this on your own without taking other people into account.

You have a tendency to ignore the physical reality / facts when forging your arguments.
You have a tendency to make sweeping and unsubstantiated statements in support of your world view.

You mean like you're doing right here? What's unsubstantiated about what I said? As far as I can see from this thread your entire world view is based on the work of one man.

krulecello wrote:Your world view is based on the ideology that if you were to stand on an 80 story building, jump off and flap your arms really fast, you would fly.

My world view is based on the physical reality that if I did the same thing, I would fall to my death, so I choose not to do so.

Now you're really clutching at straws. All you're really doing here is making me think you're exactly one of those people I grew up around who were all noise and aggression, resorting to insults when they can't come up with a reasonable argument and feeling all pious because they chained themselves to bulldozers but never actually achieving anything because they were totally incapable of having a rational conversation with someone who doesn't already argee with everything they say 100%. Good luck with that.

"Blame No-one, Expect Nothing, Do Something"

I totally agree with this quote, but to think you can solve GLOBAL warming in isolation and claiming government is irrelevant to it is just stupid.

shadx312 wrote:
All the more reason to be self-reliant and DIY. I get the realism and how things can work in the long term if they go according to plan, but what about the meantime and what if they don't go according to plan? We just going to sit around twiddling our dicks and making excuses? In that time you can still make a tangible improvement in your direct vicinity, if you want to. It's your life, you don't have to, either way it may not make a difference. I mean, if I had to choose how to spend my time between people working on improving their world vs people who had excuses not to based on realism, I'd spend my time with the former. At worst, it's something to do. Not trying to make you sound like a lazy asshole or anything. If anything, it's reasonably sound attitude I think the majority of people share.
The thing is to me, it just sounds like excuses not to bother with any of it and just wait for whatever comes to come and that's that. I'm probably thinking of it in extreme terms and I know talk is cheap.

Anyway, too bad she went all 9V on us. Started out so nice, too, then this.

Fall from grace at the Ableton forum #3137

Forge. wrote: All you're really doing here is making me think you're exactly one of those people I grew up around who were all noise and aggression, resorting to insults when they can't come up with a reasonable argument and feeling all pious because they chained themselves to bulldozers but never actually achieving anything because they were totally incapable of having a rational conversation with someone who doesn't already argee with everything they say 100%. Good luck with that.

Victim?

n/m for now

krulecello wrote:You have a tendency to make sweeping and unsubstantiated statements in support of your world view.

Forge. wrote:As far as I can see from this thread your entire world view is based on the work of one man.

Sweeping and unsubstantiated statement in support of your world view?

krulecello wrote: You have a tendency to ignore the physical reality / facts when forging your arguments.

Care to answer this one without ignoring physical reality / facts, how is it that 7 billion people (or 10 billion for that matter) are going to be able to have their own car and live the same energy intensive lifestyles that we do in wealthy nations without destroying the planet?

krulecello wrote: "Blame No-one, Expect Nothing, Do Something"

Forge. wrote:I totally agree with this quote, but to think you can solve GLOBAL warming in isolation and claiming government is irrelevant to it is just stupid.

Pointing the finger at government again? Are you sure you agree with the quote??

Forge. wrote:

krulecello wrote:
You have a tendency to position yourself as the victim (yes, to your credit, sometimes you change your mind and edit).

What a load of shit. You are using a bullshit hippy buzzword to excuse your own inability to co-operate or even communicate with people who have different views to your own.

You have a tendency to blame governments and corporations for the current state of things whilst conveniently ignoring your complicity in the situation.

no, considering the role governments and corporations play in all of this is not blaming, it's the real world. Lucky for you if you can create your garden utopia with minimal government or corporate interference, but you'll struggle with that when central victoria is a desert because passionate people like yourself refused to see that you can't solve problems like this on your own without taking other people into account.

You have a tendency to ignore the physical reality / facts when forging your arguments.
You have a tendency to make sweeping and unsubstantiated statements in support of your world view.

You mean like you're doing right here? What's unsubstantiated about what I said? As far as I can see from this thread your entire world view is based on the work of one man.

krulecello wrote:Your world view is based on the ideology that if you were to stand on an 80 story building, jump off and flap your arms really fast, you would fly.

My world view is based on the physical reality that if I did the same thing, I would fall to my death, so I choose not to do so.

Now you're really clutching at straws. All you're really doing here is making me think you're exactly one of those people I grew up around who were all noise and aggression, resorting to insults when they can't come up with a reasonable argument and feeling all pious because they chained themselves to bulldozers but never actually achieving anything because they were totally incapable of having a rational conversation with someone who doesn't already argee with everything they say 100%. Good luck with that.

"Blame No-one, Expect Nothing, Do Something"

I totally agree with this quote, but to think you can solve GLOBAL warming in isolation and claiming government is irrelevant to it is just stupid.

Quoted because this 'first' reaction is important for future reference.

krulecello wrote:

Forge. wrote: All you're really doing here is making me think you're exactly one of those people I grew up around who were all noise and aggression, resorting to insults when they can't come up with a reasonable argument and feeling all pious because they chained themselves to bulldozers but never actually achieving anything because they were totally incapable of having a rational conversation with someone who doesn't already argee with everything they say 100%. Good luck with that.

Victim?

Forge. wrote: ... they were totally incapable of having a rational conversation with someone who doesn't already argee with everything they say 100%.

krulecello wrote:[
Quoted because this 'first' reaction is important for future reference.

yeah well as you've shown yourself to be petty and all noise no substance and posting childish stupid pictures instead of intelligent debate then I guess the gloves are off now

krulecello wrote:

krulecello wrote: "Blame No-one, Expect Nothing, Do Something"

Forge. wrote:I totally agree with this quote, but to think you can solve GLOBAL warming in isolation and claiming government is irrelevant to it is just stupid.

Pointing the finger at government again? Are you sure you agree with the quote??

you actually are myrnova, aren't you? you're even doing the repetition thing without actually bothering to read what the person actually said.

There's a big difference between blaming government and admitting they have a role to play. You actually said they are irrelevant.

Forge. wrote:

krulecello wrote:[
Quoted because this 'first' reaction is important for future reference.

yeah well as you've shown yourself to be petty and all noise no substance and posting childish stupid pictures instead of intelligent debate then I guess the gloves are off now

Childish stupid pictures?

Forge. wrote:

krulecello wrote:

krulecello wrote: "Blame No-one, Expect Nothing, Do Something"

Forge. wrote:I totally agree with this quote, but to think you can solve GLOBAL warming in isolation and claiming government is irrelevant to it is just stupid.

Pointing the finger at government again? Are you sure you agree with the quote??

you actually are myrnova, aren't you? you're even doing the repetition thing without actually bothering to read what the person actually said.

There's a big difference between blaming government and admitting they have a role to play. You actually said they are irrelevant.

How about admitting the role you play?