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My Push scheduled to be delivered next Wednesday. To my work the day before a 4 day weekend which usually means instead of part of the AM deliveries we really don’t care about for some fucked up reason it will somehow not get delivered until late afternoon (I get off at 3:30) or attempted delivery after everybody went home.

^typical. happens to me too, but if it's UPS... I have to drive to Richmond to pick it up

sporkles wrote:I've been so close to buying the multi clip editor several times, but I can't shake the feeling that this should be a part of Live natively. I might go ahead and do it, if we don't hear any mention of Live 10 soon. I prefer to keep my sets M4L free, though.

Can you take it out after you've edited the clips, or is it then bound to them somehow?

I’m just going to bury this question in this thread for some reason.

Is there a track delay M4L device? Seems like a lot of producers don’t like using drum racks for the only reason that there is no per sound track delay. I can see how that would be an issue, but it also seems like a big waste not using the overall greatness that is drum racks.

beats me wrote:I’m just going to bury this question in this thread for some reason.

Is there a track delay M4L device? Seems like a lot of producers don’t like using drum racks for the only reason that there is no per sound track delay.

Why would you use Track delay in the first place? If you want to put anything earlier all it does is adding latency to all other tracks, which seems unacceptable to me. If you want to put anything later a digital style delay with 100% mix is all you need.

If a producer doesn't want to use a drum rack then that producer is missing out, is all I can say.

Stromkraft wrote:

beats me wrote:I’m just going to bury this question in this thread for some reason.

Is there a track delay M4L device? Seems like a lot of producers don’t like using drum racks for the only reason that there is no per sound track delay.

Why would you use Track delay in the first place? If you want to put anything earlier all it does is adding latency to all other tracks, which seems unacceptable to me. If you want to put anything later a digital style delay with 100% mix is all you need.

If a producer doesn't want to use a drum rack then that producer is missing out, is all I can say.

There are a lot of times when track delay on individual drum hits sets a groove. Sounds like claps and snaps often sound a lot better when they aren't square on the note. Of course you can just manually offset notes on the piano roll, but If you are going to do a lot of that it's a lot easier to adjust the track delay in main mixer area than moving notes around the piano roll or finding a delay plugin track by track. Also on the piano roll you could end up quantizing it when you didn't want to. I'd put the track delay up there with the utility plugin for volume instead of using the main fader. May not make a lot of sense until you start using it.

beats me wrote:
There are a lot of times when track delay on individual drum hits sets a groove. Sounds like claps and snaps often sound a lot better when they aren't square on the note. Of course you can just manually offset notes on the piano roll, but If you are going to do a lot of that it's a lot easier to adjust the track delay in main mixer area than moving notes around the piano roll or finding a delay plugin track by track.

When you work with all grooves, swinging sequencers or real time recordings track delays are just unnecessary and error-prone. For one additional thing track delay settings doesn't survive export to another DAW so have to be remembered and redone. It's a brittle band-aid solution in my eyes. I can see the attraction as I used to do this. Then I discovered better alternatives I think. But of course, this doesn't mean the track delay method can't work for other people.

Come on NI! I’ve gotten Black Friday weekend/holiday spam from just about every other developer. What’s the hold up?

This delay is making me expect a real convoluted sale scheme or they are going to switch to everything being on sale all at once instead of throughout the year so some real hard decisions are going to have to be made.

Well, no money to NI from me this holiday season. 50% off just about all their software except either version of Komplete, Form, or Strummed Acoustic 2.

U-he is offering Diva at 30% off until the 29th! I cannot believe how convenient this is - I demoed it earlier this month, and was about to use a 10% coupon code at Plugin Boutique sometime after Cyber Monday and then this comes along! http://www.u-he.com/diva-birthday/#

beats me wrote:Well, no money to NI from me this holiday season. 50% off just about all their software except either version of Komplete, Form, or Strummed Acoustic 2.

Haven't they usually only had Komplete on sale during the "Summer of Sound" campaigns? I'm not gonna get suckered into buying individual products that are in Komplete ever again, and currently there are so many other great deals that I can certainly bide my time. To be honest, I kind of feel that Komplete has lost a little of its appeal lately. I very rarely reach for Komplete content any longer, except some pianos and Massive of course.

sporkles wrote:

beats me wrote:Well, no money to NI from me this holiday season. 50% off just about all their software except either version of Komplete, Form, or Strummed Acoustic 2.

Haven't they usually only had Komplete on sale during the "Summer of Sound" campaigns? I'm not gonna get suckered into buying individual products that are in Komplete ever again, and currently there are so many other great deals that I can certainly bide my time. To be honest, I kind of feel that Komplete has lost a little of its appeal lately. I very rarely reach for Komplete content any longer, except some pianos and Massive of course.

I'm pretty certain Komplete has historically been 50% off during the holidays and I don't think they did any software sales this past summer. And I'm with you that I don't see personal cost value buying individual plugins as an owner of KU. And $400 for the upgrade is a little steep for my usage. There's plenty in KU I like but am also grateful I didn't pay full price, feel like I dodged a bullet on some of the content I found appealing before actually using it.

Now I'm just waiting to see if Fabfilter will offer more of a discount on their already generous discounts.

Heh heh. Fabfilter did the opposite of NI, only the everything bundle discounted but not individual plugins. Oh well, they're still cool with me.

Well, I could be wrong, but either way, I think it's a tad optimistic to hope for a Komplete sale so soon after its release.

Fabfilter: yeah, I wouldn't have said no to a discount for Pro-R on top of the discount I already get, owning all their other plugs.

yep, we are the stage of the NI cycle where I tell friends to buy Reaktor and then spend the next few months going through the library and connecting blocks, or whatever ... then wait until the summer for their crossgrade offer.

So since NI is way off on their annual Komplete upgrade and discount offer I guess their hardware sales must be doing well enough so they don’t have to rely on it as much, but I would think competitor software is also eating into their profits. Other than Massive, I don’t really see other producers using their software that much.

Also off their upgrade cycle, usually even by the time the discount comes out there is very little to nothing new at all released. So if you upgrade to KU there really isn’t anything currently out that you are missing. They recently released Strummed Acoustic 2 and I imagine by summer there will be even more products that aren’t included in the current version of KU.

It will be interesting to see how this all works out if there are more people willing to pay for new products at full price with no expectation of a discount right around the corner. As I mentioned Strummed Acoustic 2 isn't included on this holiday sale. So you really can't predict anything now.