Olga wrote:Machinesworking wrote:Olga wrote:
Actually I'm getting my information from Aljazeera and they claim that he was quoting Ayat Allah Khomeini in a good way. And I love the semantics. "he did not threaten to wipe israel off the fucking map you moron, he said that the zionist regime (government) will be wiped off the pages of history"
Oh! ok.... Well, thats ok then. The Israeli gov will be wiped off the pages of history! No problem there with that statement according to you huh? I would ask you to pull your head out of your ass but I'm trying not to stoop to your level at the moment.
Great source of information BTW, the documentary Control Room is a must watch.
He's right though, there's a big difference between saying Israel will be wiped off the face of the map, and saying that the current Israeli government will be wiped off the face of history. Major difference.
Doesn't mean he's not anti Israel though, or not a fundamentalist muslim.
I don't agree with you on this but you are a very intelligent individual. In my opinion, one of the smartest people on the board.
Let me ask you this simple child like question.
If the "Zionist" Israeli government gets wiped off the face of history/map (historically), what will become of the jews? In your opinion?
And do you give a damn?
I do give a damn. Jeez! just got back from a show where another Live user playing said she thought Live didn't have a good sound engine......
OK here's the rub, Israel isn't going anywhere, and wars are NOT fought exclusively by extremists. FDR wasn't anything like George Bush, and he did fine against the nazis. Israel doesn't need an extremist attitude in much the same way Iran doesn't. Currently Iran is wielding it's authoritarian government against it's own people, and Israel is attacking it's usual target, palestinians. I'm not OK with either situation.
What seems to have happened world wide is modern leaders don't bother to read the Art of War anymore, and the propaganda machines are in full throttle. Nobody respects the enemy, and instead prepares for war by making the enemy into something they are not.
Nowadays everybody thinks they have to have a bloodthirsty, fundamentalist attitude to go up against one, which makes no sense at all. Even though Stalin was a psycho, it's still possible to see that it wasn't his intention to purify the race etc. Even if Churchill was at first fooled by Hitler and was pretty far right, he wasn't anything like Bush etc.
Israel could survive just fine if they went into talks with the Palestinians, if they gave back homes to people they took them from, if they treated the Palestinians as equals. They already harbor no trespass against them, but they offer the "enemy" NOTHING in return. I chalk that up to a fundamentalist attitude in the core of the government there.
Israel is rotten at it's core, it was founded IMO in yet another chess game move by the British, who in their colonialism were the masters at taking a minority and giving them unprecedented power during occupation. Scottish immigrants in Ireland, ethnic minorities in India, etc. etc. the list goes on. Create a situation where it's seen as necessary to have Britain establish order....... and it's not seen as odd at all that a british person came up with the idea of giving the jewish people their "homeland"?? Like the english give anything away without a catch?
Now that in no way is any reason to not recognize the shear and utter horror that the jewish community had just suffered in the Holocaust. Having said that though, creating a "sanctuary" for a single religious people in a muslim territory, with deep pocket backing from the west, and recent scars from ethnic hatred in europe..... it's a recipe for disaster, and an obvious chess move by the west. If Israel sided with the palestinians, and started really working with the people there, that would seriously fuck with the west, and be an amazing thing to behold.
As it stands Israel is acting like a beaten child that finally gets a chance to wield power, it's sympathizing with the abuser, and now that it has a chance even playing a lot of the same games. I hear that Palestinians even get a different liscense plate on their car? Like the Dr. Zuess book on Sneeches.
Anyway, Israel could easily move away from Zionism, and embrace a more open attitude. It doesn't mean that they would all of a sudden become pansies, just that war and violence would not be all they offered.
Extremism fuels extremism, pretty simple really.
