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Live 8.0.4 crashes in OS X the least of any audio app I use for music production

and I use two or three

leisuremuffin wrote:Nobody is asking you to fiddle or report any more than you have to with any piece of software. I've never had to interact with support because i've never had a problem that seriously interrupted my workflow. And all of the problems i have encountered have always been ironed out at some point. You show me a piece of software that doesn't have bugs at some point and i'll eat dogshit and smile. You're going to read people complaining about bugs in the forums of every software company. go ahead, open up the pro tools forum and see if there isn't a thread about a bug in the first page.



but whatever, i guess you have information about how horrible live 8 is from those super secret sources that you trust. As well as intimate knowledge of the make up of ableton's owners and who decides the direction of the software's development. What kind of information are you privy to that i'm not? Of course it's a business, but i don't buy that the software is somehow suffering because some shadowy and unscrupulous businessmen are intentionally releasing a shitty product to meet marketing deadlines. The CEO, Gerhard, who was a musical partner of Robert's in monolake, sure seems to be interested and directly involved in the direction the software takes. But *you* know who's really running the show, right?


my advice to anyone that is reading this thread and want to know if live 8 is a usable piece of software ----> download the fully functional demo and see if it works or not on your system. Doesn't work? don't buy it.





.lm.

I have never used/called support for any software company ever. If I have to, i don't use the software, but i will call to suss 8 if needed....... I use pt 7.4, no bugs within how I use it. Meaning, it may have bugs but I have never experienced them. Ever....... The pt forum is a bore, but I don't care about app probs with people i don't know or do not reference advice from........Live 8 horrible? No, I don't believe that or even said that. I use live and like it a lot and are frustrated a lot too but there's nothing secret about who feels the same here and I don't think anybody gives a shit about what you and i are on about. Farts in the wind mate.

I bet Gerhard and Robert are frustrated with some of their decisions as hindsight goes. Just a guess though, but they relinquished lots of responsibility to something they do not have complete power over. This is the nature of a company with fiscal responsibility. But yeah, it's all speculation but a good guess and how these things usually go. But the release schedule is all important and must be met to meet an agreed and planned schedule signed off by investors. I'm sure It's played much tighter to the vest than they want it to be. Very little wiggle room i would imagine........ Instead of downloading 8 and seeing if it works on our systems, how about abes telling us the systems that it does/doesn't work on to begin with.

Well, I have to say I don't pretend for a minute that what I require is for everyone and certainly what you're satisfied with being for everyone too. Lets just say we're both full of shit and go with that cuz nobody is really listening to us anyway bro, lol. Don't worry so much.

I get crashes every 2 hour, which is frustrating, but I know 90% of my crashes are because of a certain 3rd party plugin.

Isn't there a way for the sequencer to isolate a plugin to a sandbox so that if it crashes, the sequencer could still carry on?

Anyway, I can tell that the undo-restore in Live is absolutely amazing and I'm honestly not even so worried about saving my work, since Live almost always catches up from where I was. It does take time, though, to restart.

knotkranky wrote: Lets just say we're both full of shit and go with that cuz nobody is really listening to us anyway bro, lol.

I'm not full of shit. I've posted my setup, what i do with it, and the fact that it's perfectly capable of making music every day.

you've posted some vague bullshit containing speculation about how the company is directed, and how a piece of software that you don't even have installed on your computer runs. all of this is backed up only by your feelings and unsupported opinions, as well as your trust of some unnamed forum members.


I'm not worried about it, "bro," but i also won't back down. what you're saying is pretty fucking silly.






.lm.

leisuremuffin wrote:

knotkranky wrote: Lets just say we're both full of shit and go with that cuz nobody is really listening to us anyway bro, lol.

I'm not full of shit. I've posted my setup, what i do with it, and the fact that it's perfectly capable of making music every day.

.lm.

Is that all you got out of my last post? hmm. Ok, who said live isn't capable of making music? or everyday for that matter. huh? Yer going a little too far out to demonize my position bro. evs

you've posted some vague bullshit containing speculation about how the company is directed

virtually all companies run that way. You think Gerhard and Robert work for no one? please

and how a piece of software that you don't even have installed on your computer runs

It's not ready for me to install yet. It's ready for you and that's really great, btw congratulations. But it's not ready for "me" and we are not the same.
5 years of previous releases and 3 years on this forum and 20+ years of using apps says i know what's up regardless of what you think.

all of this is backed up only by your feelings and unsupported opinions, as well as your trust of some unnamed forum members.

It's the same for you dude. How do you support your opinions? Other than your fleshy persona that is no doubt a fine one, your a bunch of text that needs to be trusted for simply writing it.

I'm not worried about it, "bro," but i also won't back down. what you're saying is pretty fucking silly.

Oooh i don't expect you to back down and that's not what i'm after. Anyway, it's not about you. My agenda is completely self serving. But in the spirit of our adversarial friendship, i'll show you how much less worried i am by "backing-down" so you don't have to.


Awesome! you win dude!

knotkranky wrote:

all of this is backed up only by your feelings and unsupported opinions, as well as your trust of some unnamed forum members.

It's the same for you dude. How do you support your opinions? Other than your fleshy persona that is no doubt a fine one, your a bunch of text that needs to be trusted for simply writing it.

uh, not really, what i'm saying is based on me using the software. What you're saying is based on hearsay and how smart and experienced i should believe you are. it's not really the same. you don't have to believe what i'm saying about the software i'm using, but at least you only have to decide if i'm lying or not about a real experience that i have.



.lm.

leisuremuffin wrote:

knotkranky wrote:

all of this is backed up only by your feelings and unsupported opinions, as well as your trust of some unnamed forum members.

It's the same for you dude. How do you support your opinions? Other than your fleshy persona that is no doubt a fine one, your a bunch of text that needs to be trusted for simply writing it.

uh, not really, what i'm saying is based on me using the software. What you're saying is based on hearsay and how smart and experienced i should believe you are. it's not really the same. you don't have to believe what i'm saying about the software i'm using, but at least you only have to decide if i'm lying or not about a real experience that i have.



.lm.

Duuuude, it's not about you, ok?

I know you're not lying, it's your perception of your experiences I can't get behind cuz it's not mine or anyone else's for that matter. Vice versa for you, right? .... Ok, I need to make sure that I get the most bug-less version available so I don't get pissed off and post a much bigger rant It's a one shot deal, so i'll wait for 8.0.9. I think you can agree that it's the pragmatic way to go for a picky old codger like me.

time to work

dom wrote:

3phase wrote:I just got an mail that my "support"case got close because they dont understand my setup and dont like it to be critizized...

Just to set it straight and nobody gets a wrong picture here:

I personally closed your technical support request after trying to help you because you were not willing to provide the technical details we need and asked for nicely multiple times.
Instead you kept sending personal accusations and trying to start general discussions - much like in this thread.
I'm afraid this is not how troubleshooting works.

No grief, we're by no means resentful, this is our job.
As soon as you manage to send us a detailed request, free of personal accusations and emotional bursts, we're happy to work with you on your problems.

Cheers,
Dom

I gave the information about my setup... about the way i wire the midi system... i named all components and midi and audio interfaces and my plug ins, computer os ram etc,,, i even mentioned the midipatching outside of ableton live.. that should be enough..
and regarding my way of working?

what a stupid quetsion.. i dont cook coffe with ableton live.. i record loops i generate with hardware synthezisers and drummachines...

very easy and very normal... nothing to declare or explain about it...


Instead supplying a single answer out ouf the send in crashreports you keep on asking me to install software versions i dont like to use and explain my way of working ... ?? what way of working? its just the way you work with ableton live..you should know it by now.

Like a callcenter there are no answers from ableton support ..just questions... and requests to install software...

I am not a paid betatester and have gigs this summer and i am late in my production projekts...

I dont have the time nor i am willing to install software again i ve found buggy...

You have enough reports that Live 8 keeps crashing in enviroments where Live 7 isnt..
Its your job to find the answer..not my..


But i am the one that get the trouble when buzzing +30db noises torture my audience..
As happened last week...

Best cure is probably to dont use Live when you dont need realtime timestretching..

Where are the real benefits during a real live set?
more likely to crash? phantom monster noises? rudimentary midi implementation? wobbely midiclock?

However... i still like the program... but on stage i will focus more on hardware.. A 808 is something that never has failed me in 25 years..

too bad that live dont runs as good as a midislave anymore as it did in earlier versions..

that was the one and only real advantage against logic..that can be a pretty good live tool with propper enviroment programming.
Too bad that you gave up on the unique advantage to be the DAW that can run propperly by beeing external clock synced.

yes crashes fairly often.
not a show stopper.. just makes me realise how stable 7 was for me.
still the DAW to beat as far as I'm concerned

in the studio thats not a show stopper thanks to the undo history fuction..

but on stage? nothing is so lame as reloading the master clock device on stage..
even when it prooves that you are actually not doing your emails..

as said before.. if ableton would be still able to run as midiclock slave without getting "elastic" i wouldnt mind so much .
But seems risky to use L8 on stage wright now...

The changelogs of the beta dont mentions anything regarding stability issues... but wouldnt be the first time that mean bugs get solved without beeing mentioned in the changelogs..
they are after all not technical papers and have to fullfill a promotional duty.

without using midi tracks no crashes sofar... i will start working with midi again next week...

phew!

what a thread. Mad props all around.

Also, Live 8 is fine for me. I use it at gigs every weekend. I've been recording an album (several hours a day type stuff) for a few weeks. I can remember one crash. I don't run any 3rd party plugs. Guitar Rig every once in awhile.

Kranky i'd be interested in your sources. Who on the forum is the horses mouth? Do their systems match yours, and that's why? Are they also rewiring through PT (just assuming that's what you do, idk) Just wondering who i should also be listening too.

And i don't want some phantom bullcrap. I want names

It still seems to me that most people complaining of crashes are on 10.5 and not 10.4.

I think it's much more stable on 10.4.

I wonder if Ableton is testing on the betas of snowleopard yet.

Jekblad wrote:phew!

what a thread. Mad props all around.

Also, Live 8 is fine for me. I use it at gigs every weekend. I've been recording an album (several hours a day type stuff) for a few weeks. I can remember one crash. I don't run any 3rd party plugs. Guitar Rig every once in awhile.

Kranky i'd be interested in your sources. Who on the forum is the horses mouth? Do their systems match yours, and that's why? Are they also rewiring through PT (just assuming that's what you do, idk) Just wondering who i should also be listening too.

And i don't want some phantom bullcrap. I want names

naw dude, I ranted too much and in hindsight didn't really enjoy going that hard with lm. I like the dude but went to far me thinks.

I just don't like the way abes does biz and say so. That's all, no big whoop, but it's serious for some fans. Farts in the wind really.

I should save any commentary for 8.0.9 but abes could say what to use and what not to use regardless. Would save lots o headaches.

nighty

tempus3r wrote:It still seems to me that most people complaining of crashes are on 10.5 and not 10.4.

I think it's much more stable on 10.4.

I wonder if Ableton is testing on the betas of snowleopard yet.

I wonder if i should go back on 10.4..

ableton dont recomends that thou..

Any opinions?

timothyallan wrote:I sent an email 10 days ago to support regarding the undo 'issues' I'm having. Haven't heard anything back, but it makes me curious if anyone else is having these issues!

This happens with a bunch of my other plugins as well, but I figure somebody has to have one of these!

Yes I am having also issues with undo.

Regardless of VST or Audio Units there is something wrong for parameters which are not configured.

Checked this at the moment again with the newest beta (Live8.0.5b7).

As an Example: I dropped in the U-HE Podolski Synthesizer (VST). The default state is that no parameter is configured. Now I tweak at first the attack to a value of 100 percent. Then the decay to 100 percent and then the sustain (from 80) to 100 percent.
Now first undo: Sustain is going back to 80 percent (which is correct)
Second undo: nothing happens (which is not correct)
Third undo: Sustain goes to 0 percent (which is also not correct)
If I configure these 3 parameters and do the steps above again then everything is working like expected.
Same (or similar) with the au version.
Also with the TAL Electro. (and many others - in some cases there are no undo steps which is in my eyes better than a wrong undo )

there was also a thread about something like this in the" Live 8 beta bugs" area - http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... hilit=undo (timothyallan also is knowing this thread because he has posted there)

regards, p.e.