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Machinesworking wrote:

timothyallan wrote:

trilo wrote:
It's a 32-bit Intel app. Runs well, and seems much better on resources. In Logic Pro 8 if I ran something complicated or a couple dozen tracks, I could occasionally find myself facing the 'overload' warning. This time around I had a few background apps running and was able to play all the demo tracks without a hitch (Lily Allen's The Fear, The Killers' Spaceman, and Santigold's You'll Find A Way Remix). The Killers track gave it a real workout, not even going past the halfway point on the CPU or HD load meter despite it being 81 tracks and me playing around in the mixer while the track played.

This would seal the deal for me, I am constantly running out of juice on my core 2 duo 2.4ghz MBP when it comes to the end of a track in Live 8. If I can squeeze a substantial more bit of grunt out of my CPU with Logic, I'm all over it.

That, is Logics strong point, it was CPU efficient as hell when it was mac/PC, and it still is now that it's OSX only. In Logic 7 VS Live 5 it was brutal, probably not as much as that now, but Live could only get about 60% of the CPU that Logic could. It's still probably at least 20% more efficient. From what people told me, this has to do with Logic not poling the tracks with plug ins on them constantly like Live does, since it's not geared towards live performance like Live is.

Yeah - I wonder if it could ever be possible to add a prefs option in Live "optimize for realtime" that allowed you to turn it off and free up some CPU - maybe maybe it could work just by adding more of the messages we get now for things like freezing tracks "this action will stop audio" - for things that we can currently do real-time

something I've often though might be cool would be if Ableton released a session only version of live, removing the problems that prevent session automation then you could load it up in Logic as a slave and combine it with Live's work flow

I dunno, maybe M4L will make that point redundant

Just a button on the gui at the top that flicked from Green (live) to red (studio) would be cool to free up some cpu for those of us who use live mainly as a studio daw

heavensdaw wrote:

trilo wrote:The Killers track gave it a real workout, not even going past the halfway point on the CPU or HD load meter despite it being 81 tracks and me playing around in the mixer while the track played.

Man this is awesome
Live8 is making my MBP feel like my old G3 powerbook

Hmmm. Gonna look a bit more into this..

Hd

i am tempted on this myself, by all respect to realtime handling in live but it can't be that my c2d 2.16ghz 4g ram feels like a G4 under L8, i urge you ableton please improve the cpu strain... a lot, please!

On the logic pro 9 "In action" page, there is a video of NIN, with Raznor saying that he "will never go back with something else (than logic pro)" ...
In the Ableton artists, there is NIN ... hum

You will find plenty of artists being on several software company sites at the same time... claiming... blah blah... go figure... advertising.

fwiw I borrowed a copy of logic from a mate who got 9, I've decided I'm doing my next remix in it just to test the waters. So far I'm using the same amount of plugins that would cause Live to die at 100% cpu, however, I'm only using about 55%. From reading other threads, Logic 9 is even better at CPU management... It's like I've got a whole new machine, it's actually really cool being able to hear what I want the audio to sound like without having to render tracks to audio all the time.

Man, i said that since ages that Live should concentrate on what it got... and rather overhauling the general performance... damn, i like live for writing / performing so much more but the cpu issue... damn, damn...

Makes me want to get Logic9.

I mean i don't expect live to be as efficient as logic, that would be unfair... Because of all the realtime processing going on in live, but i like to see a gear stepped up, that is for sure...

Logic: with every version more complex functions and better performance...
Live: with every version more complex functions and lower performance...

Go figure.

timothyallan wrote:So far I'm using the same amount of plugins that would cause Live to die at 100% cpu, however, I'm only using about 55%. From reading other threads, Logic 9 is even better at CPU management... It's like I've got a whole new machine, it's actually really cool being able to hear what I want the audio to sound like without having to render tracks to audio all the time.

This is it for me.. I NEVER have considered swapping over to another DAW.. NEVER.. But, I'm just not getting to be able to work in Live8.. Example on my MBP 2.2 Ghz Intel core 2 Duo 2GB ram I struggle to get beyond 8 or 9 tracks running!! WTF.. Yes I use audio FX chains and a bit of side chaining here and there.. But c'mon.. I've invested on quite a few 3rd party plugins both as instruments and FX.. But can't effing well use em!! Pops, glithches, crackles' And now lots of crashes also.. I'm hanging on atm coz I do really love Lives basic concept and workflow.. But my patience is waning.. Jeeez I never thought I would hear myself saying this

Hd

Tarekith wrote:Plug in GUI's in Logic can now be resized up to 200% too, which goes a long way towards making those tiny controls mosre useable

Thank christ. I felt like i needed a Sherlock Holmes style magnifying glass to use them in the past.

SubFunk wrote:Logic: with every version more complex functions and better performance...
Live: with every version more complex functions and lower performance...

Not true. Logic 7 to 8 was much worse performance.

heavensdaw wrote:

timothyallan wrote:So far I'm using the same amount of plugins that would cause Live to die at 100% cpu, however, I'm only using about 55%. From reading other threads, Logic 9 is even better at CPU management... It's like I've got a whole new machine, it's actually really cool being able to hear what I want the audio to sound like without having to render tracks to audio all the time.

This is it for me.. I NEVER have considered swapping over to another DAW.. NEVER.. But, I'm just not getting to be able to work in Live8.. Example on my MBP 2.2 Ghz Intel core 2 Duo 2GB ram I struggle to get beyond 8 or 9 tracks running!! WTF.. Yes I use audio FX chains and a bit of side chaining here and there.. But c'mon.. I've invested on quite a few 3rd party plugins both as instruments and FX.. But can't effing well use em!! Pops, glithches, crackles' And now lots of crashes also.. I'm hanging on atm coz I do really love Lives basic concept and workflow.. But my patience is waning.. Jeeez I never thought I would hear myself saying this

Hd

Interesting, I'm using a 2.1GHz Macbook with 4Gb RAM and my project for gigs has around 14 tracks, effects sends etc and no issues with performance. Though I only have a handful of 3rd party plugs.

I'm not defending Live though, it could be easier on CPU, but it seems people are blaming the software when it could hardware or other issues.

I'm liking these reports on how nice Logic 9 is on CPU, hopefully will mean I can make more use of rewiring, Ableton workflow and instruments (Logic's ones suck balls), Logic effects

tempus3r wrote:

SubFunk wrote:Logic: with every version more complex functions and better performance...
Live: with every version more complex functions and lower performance...

Not true. Logic 7 to 8 was much worse performance.

he? can't agree with that!, however i will check, i have 7 and 8 on my machine.

No one has said a thing about how Ugly the new box is...

weeddigger wrote:No one has said a thing about how Ugly the new box is...

because no one gives a shit about a box, but we do give a shit about how well you can work with the product without creeping up the walls and screaming every 20 minutes. and not needing to buy every 6 month the newest super duper computer in order to work in peace and without a dozen flattening, resampling, freezing or any other highly annoying workarounds.

i mean i just do work on a new track, 13 channels midi and audio, all instruments are AAS and impulse (Live's and the original AAS tassman) except crystal, a few efx, very few and reaktor as a reverb on a return... and it jumps around 55% and is on the edge to choke... WTF?
and i am pretty good in using 'clever' CPU saving routing for my efx already... (efx include live's own such as chorus, apples delay and bias EQs the most cpu saving superfreq 4, btw.)

tell me that this is not mediocre???

on a 2.16ghz 4gb ram c2d machine...

if you think this is cool, then i don't know.

SubFunk wrote:

weeddigger wrote:No one has said a thing about how Ugly the new box is...

because no one gives a shit about a box, but we do give a shit about how well you can work with the product without creeping up the walls and screaming every 20 minutes. and not needing to buy every 6 month the newest super duper computer in order to work in peace and without a dozen flattening, resampling, freezing or any other highly annoying workarounds.

i mean i just do work on a new track, 13 channels midi and audio, all instruments are AAS and impulse (Live's and the original AAS tassman) except crystal, a few efx, very few and reaktor as a reverb on a return... and it jumps around 55% and is on the edge to choke... WTF?
and i am pretty good in using 'clever' CPU saving routing for my efx already...

tell me that this is not mediocre???

on a 2.16ghz 4gb ram c2d machine...

if you think this is cool, then i don't know.

Word!

However no-ones said how ugly the Logic GUI is either!

Man I really hope the Abes can get this sorted..

I think it seems to be Lives handling of 3rd party plugins that cripple my CPU.. I haven't got any other DAW to try though to make any real comparison..

I've been seriously thinking of selling all my 3rd party stuff and working purely within Live.. It's becoming a question for me as to what I love/like/need more.. Lives beautiful workflow and creative ease or the sonic possibilities and variations that 3rd party plugs offer, not to mention the added benefits of what Logic has editing wise

Hd