Ableton Forum

Tarekith wrote:I know quite a few girls who write electronic music, they just tend to get on with it and not spend all day online debating it. Guys have this machismo need to brag to other guys about what they do (and the internet is great for that, as is any public forum), where as girls just tend to do it and not care.

oh snap.

Yes.

All I'm saying is it's a lot easier to name female musicians from some other genres and sharing my general (and limited, YMMV) experience on their general attitude towards electronic music. Things have been changing for the better in the last few years and I don't get out much these days, married and currently unemployed (no cash to spend, happily married so no chasing women as a side agenda, etc). Some people really take this issue and themselves too seriously - let's not take things out of perspective, your preferred choice of music doesn't make you smart or dumb, it's just an observation and a personal choice. Female representation in higher education and increasingly in the commercial world at the top is living proof. I worked in education for the best part of 10 years and saw and appreciated many smart women who did life changing things for students and to improve the quality of education, special education and curriculum. At elementary level, most principals were female. There are many more female politicians too and even in traditionally male dominated fields such as maths and science, ever increasing numbers of females. Don't confuse throw away observations as implying deeper meaning.

I hope to see more female participation in the genre (even those of us who know many female electronic artists, how many do you see on TV, on the electronic music charts (never mind the Billboard charts), how many female DJs earn top dollar as a ratio compared to men, etc. It was a good point made that Ableton only recently included female performers using the program.

You don't know me at all, yet you assume to write my story from 6 words. I was replying to other people's assertions and the previous statements made in this thread that female musicians can not be these things. Why not attack all of the blatant, actually sexist comments here?

monstrejumo wrote:

I have met awesome, intelligent girl musicians.

wow, are you kidding?

not quoting you by name, because it's not personnal, it's not you, but the quote is representative, to my eyes, of lots of posts in this thread:

TOTALLY FUCKED UP.

writing these kind of sentence implies a good measure of machism IMHO, like saying "yes the majority is dumb, but some of them are intelligent"...

as guys speaking to a (female) DJ friend of mine after the show, saying "wow, girl, it's great you're a DJ because you're a girl, keep on!", but during the show was telling me that he didn't like at all the music she deejayed, but it was good that this DJ was a girl... dumbass guy.


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I don't give anything interesting to the present debate, but this kind of quotes made me react.

cheers

Ed Lektron wrote:I'd love to meet a girl who is into it...though if she was better than me that might be a bit immasculating, don't ask me why...

That sounds like a YOUR problem and not a HER problem.

OMG, 5 pages of a topic about girls and not a single picture of a naked real hot one? what's wrong with men our days? are all converted?

Yes, but Overtone posted a unicorn rainbow picture which really just says it all, doesn't it?

LoopStationZebra wrote:Yes, but Overtone posted a unicorn rainbow picture which really just says it all, doesn't it?

yep. that kinda seals it ..

You will at least find more women than girls in the electronic arts, dearies.
Interesting how men.. or is it 'boys'... call women 'girls'. Bless all you little darlin' chaps, you just can't help yourselves.

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My girlfriend loves electronic music.



pffft.. nobody on here has a girlfriend.

dutch electronic girl...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qy9fdjF ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxlUBCBZ ... re=related

dutch vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WSFnySI87Q&feature=fvw

so mister....where is your youtube clip?

mholloway wrote:I know many who love listening to it, but how come so few create it? What historical/societal/cultural factors+biases have resulted in this sad reality that electronic music, like film directing, is so wholly the domain of men and not women, with the exceptions being so few and far between....

Overbearing jealous men in the industry who impregnate and then leave said female artist holding the bag probably greatly reduces the numbers...

After reading the last 5 pages I think I have come to the same conclusion that many of the women who opt not to create it come to... its just not worth it.

In addition, I'd like to say...

I'm selling my whole setup except for my bass and striving to become Luscious Jackson's roadie.
Pam from The Coup is the Shit

Image is the problem with modern music - it MUSIC ffs its supposed to be for our ears. If you're not talking about female vocals then there is no difference.

JAMM wrote:dutch electronic girl...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qy9fdjF ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxlUBCBZ ... re=related

dutch vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WSFnySI87Q&feature=fvw

so mister....where is your youtube clip?

I am now a Krause fan, and ...
this one FT ultimate girlsong W:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM8HVHGk ... re=related

funky shit wrote:My girlfriend loves electronic music.



pffft.. nobody on here has a girlfriend.

hehe.. that's my guess too... either single...or married..
...or working for ableton

Lets all be honest now. When I hear of a new chick electronic performer (or any genre, really) I'm first and formost interested in whether or not they are hot.

Let's review:

Krause: Kinda cute. Sorta. Not really. Maybe after a few pints.
Andrea Parker: Way cute.
Kristina Childs: meh.
Zoe Keating: Unbelievably hot. Like, MODEL hot.

After the physical inspection, I'm ready to examine the music.

So, you know. If we can all just stop being pampered white liberal sensitive douchebags for 2 seconds and just admit we are MEN, that would be a step in the right direction for this thread.