am i the only one freaked out about the massive oil screwup?

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Re: am i the only one freaked out about the massive oil screwup?

Post by dhilsabeck » Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:35 pm

H20nly wrote: This same b.s. happened in Alaska in the 90's. Exxon weaseled outta paying up and nobody did shit about it.
Nobody could do anything. Exxon was ordered to pay about 5 billion (usd) in damages to fishermen, tourism people, etc whose livelihoods were fucked because there was oil everywhere.

Instead of doing the honorable thing and attempting to make the situation right, they tied it up in courts over the next TWENTY YEARS with appeals and so on and eventually had it reduced to about $500 million, about 10% of the original settlement. ***Note that Justice Sam Allito excused himself from the case because he owned between $100-250k of Exxon stock at the time....

Sorry, so your boat is fucked, huh? What were you going to do with your settlement money? Medical expenses? College for your kids? You were saying you had some retirement plans?

Tough Shit. This is hardball. It's big oil.

Exxon has DEEEEEEEEEEEEEP pockets and it proved to be a sound strategy for them to stall and drain everyone emotionally and financially over the years (whilst people put life plans on hold) Twenty years later and they still had uber expensive lawyers on the case. It's just business as usual. Profits, stockholders, numbers. Just numbers.

So, after reducing the original figure by about 4.5 billion, Exxon then merely cut checks from a fraction of the interest they made in their obscene windfall profits of the 2000's.

Meanwhile, Exxon's making PILES of money, like approximately $36 billion in profits a year. Lee Raymond, the CEO at the time was making 50 million a year and cleared about $400 million in retirement bonuses in 2005. After taxes and attorneys fees the $500 million settlement for 33,000 plaintiffs was roughly equivalent to the retirement bonus for this one man. Thanks for your 6 years with the company, Mr. Raymond.

So, one would think that business is bad for ExxonMobil in Alaska. They're bastards right. Assholes who take advantage of the little people and have no accountability for their fuck ups... WRONG!

During all this, Exxon is aligning itself with TransCanda to build a natural gas pipleline where they will stand to make yet even more money over decades to come. For that we can thank the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act and current Governor at the time, Sarah Palin.

Soooooo, in summation: I hate to say it, but it looks very similar to the Alaska spill, which is not good for individuals whose livelihoods were changed forever as a result of the spill. They're throwing money at getting images of progress as well as trying to buy off people for 5k cleanup contracts. The worst BP has to deal with is their public relations until the shit is plugged or whatever.

1990's Oil Pollution Act's $75 million (peanuts) cap for liability is a joke and you best believe that they'll also tie up the inevitable settlement in litigation for years, a la Exxon, because, you know, they saved about $4 billion dollars by doing so.

Sad to say, but this is some serious grease ball shit. With any luck, having the internet around will help expose how extremely serious this spill is and hopefully give the government some leverage in creating some sort of legitimate consequences for monumental environmental disasters such a this.

On the bright side though, it could lead to tighter restrictions for the oil industry, but you know, probably not. :?


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Re: am i the only one freaked out about the massive oil screwup?

Post by LoopStationZebra » Fri Jun 04, 2010 8:55 pm

mikemc wrote:
LoopStationZebra wrote:Im not sure what penalties would work; what the specifics would be.
How about, "Here's your tyvek suit, a brush and a bucket. Here is your ten square miles to clean, we'll come back when you are done."

Well that's a good start! Blimey!
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Re: am i the only one freaked out about the massive oil screwup?

Post by H20nly » Fri Jun 04, 2010 8:57 pm

@ dhilsabeck if I left anything between the lines when I made the comment... you covered it 100% and then some.


mikemc wrote:
LoopStationZebra wrote:Im not sure what penalties would work; what the specifics would be.
How about, "Here's your tyvek suit, a brush and a bucket. Here is your ten square miles to clean, we'll come back when you are done."
+ 1 and my eternal soul.
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Re: am i the only one freaked out about the massive oil screwup?

Post by LoopStationZebra » Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:50 pm

dhilsabeck wrote:1990's Oil Pollution Act's $75 million (peanuts) cap for liability is a joke and you best believe that they'll also tie up the inevitable settlement in litigation for years, a la Exxon, because, you know, they saved about $4 billion dollars by doing so.

Sad to say, but this is some serious grease ball shit. With any luck, having the internet around will help expose how extremely serious this spill is and hopefully give the government some leverage in creating some sort of legitimate consequences for monumental environmental disasters such a this.

On the bright side though, it could lead to tighter restrictions for the oil industry, but you know, probably not. :?

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All of this was known to Exxon and BP prior to both disasters. It's all factored into their Risk Analysis. This isn't anything new. The automobile and airline industry have been doing it for years.

More detailed regulation is inevitable, but ultimately pointless. Lets remember one thing: Those regulations, by and large, are nearly all planned and written by 2 main groups of people: Oil Lobbyists, and people in past/current/future administrations who were involved with Big Oil. The foxes have literally built the henhouse. It's been that way for-fucking-ever.

When Clinton repealed the Glass–Steagall Act, that directly led to the blurring of traditional banks and investment banks (which threw everything into a tailspin), the new so-called 'laws' were all drafted by a literal Who's Who of Investment Bankers. :lol: From Clinton, to Bush, to Obama: Each one of these Presidents have let bankers of all shapes and sizes run the show. In fact, here's a great site that details the Goldman connections with the Obama Administration. Horrifying stuff, actually.

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/43559

Again, as long as there is no accountability with respect to the individual owners, board, and major shareholders all the regulations in the world don't really amount to much. Christ. If I decide not to pay my taxes, or my mortgage, the powers that be would be at my doorstep in no time to take everything I own. Should be the same for these guys.

Also, it is much more difficult for an individual (even a very rich one) to fight a criminal (or civil) court battle than it is for a corporation to do so. For a million different logistical and administrative reasons. My goodness. There's already plenty of precedents whereby a person under indictment for any number of crimes has all of their assets immediately seized. This fact alone means that it's not only morally right to go after the ownership, it's fucking EASIER. :lol:
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Re: am i the only one freaked out about the massive oil screwup?

Post by dhilsabeck » Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:39 pm

No shit. Speak the language they understand.

Easier said than done, I'm sure. Those dudes are rich. 8O

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Re: am i the only one freaked out about the massive oil screwup?

Post by H20nly » Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:45 pm

correction; they're rrrRICH, Filthy Fukin RICH
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Re: am i the only one freaked out about the massive oil screwup?

Post by dhilsabeck » Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:54 pm

Amigo Money.

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Re: am i the only one freaked out about the massive oil screwup?

Post by OvertoneZero » Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:09 pm

This shit is horrifying, what can be done?

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Re: am i the only one freaked out about the massive oil screwup?

Post by Action Jackson » Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:16 pm

Something fishy about all of this:

http://www.welcomethelight.com/2010/06/ ... e-blowout/

NWO, dude. NWO all the way... :x

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Re: am i the only one freaked out about the massive oil screwup?

Post by dhilsabeck » Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:37 pm

OvertoneZero wrote:This shit is horrifying, what can be done?
If you're BP, you focus 90% of your resources into protecting your public image. And you build completely expensive yet insufficient things like this to make everyone feel like you have some semblance of an idea as to how to stop the spill.


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Re: am i the only one freaked out about the massive oil screwup?

Post by djsynchro » Sat Jun 05, 2010 8:39 pm

If that oil wouldn't be leaking into the sea it would be refined into Gasoline, among other things. Either way it is polluting the planet. What bothers me is that 5% of the world's population consume 25% of the planet's energy resources - and I am not talking about the Portugese. It's criminal, it's unsustainable and wars are being waged to keep it that way. Insane.
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Re: am i the only one freaked out about the massive oil screwup?

Post by djsynchro » Sat Jun 05, 2010 8:40 pm

djsynchro wrote:If that oil wouldn't be leaking into the sea it would be refined into Gasoline, among other things. Either way it is polluting the planet. What bothers me is that 5% of the world's population consume 25% of the planet's energy resources - and I am not talking about the Portugese. It's criminal, it's unsustainable and wars are being waged to keep it that way. Insane.
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Re: am i the only one freaked out about the massive oil screwup?

Post by djsynchro » Sat Jun 05, 2010 8:41 pm

BP - it just works

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Re: am i the only one freaked out about the massive oil screwup?

Post by LoopStationZebra » Sat Jun 05, 2010 8:57 pm

djsynchro wrote:If that oil wouldn't be leaking into the sea it would be refined into Gasoline, among other things. Either way it is polluting the planet. What bothers me is that 5% of the world's population consume 25% of the planet's energy resources - and I am not talking about the Portugese. It's criminal, it's unsustainable and wars are being waged to keep it that way. Insane.

Are you talking about the Chinese? :P

If not, you soon will be. :P
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Re: am i the only one freaked out about the massive oil screwup?

Post by dhilsabeck » Sat Jun 05, 2010 10:06 pm

Somebody has to stop the Portugese.

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