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Re: Komplete 7 near release

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:27 pm
by beats me
ewistrand wrote:
beats me wrote:Eh, I was somewhat overreacting in my explanation but it was inspired by ew saying NI lagged on making their software UB which insinuates them taking longer than other companies
That's not what I'm said at all. I said that the UB version took longer to come out; I in no way implied that they were lagging behind others, etc. For God's sake- Spectrasonics used a Rosetta wrapper finally to make Atmosphere UB, and this was two years after the fact. A lot of companies were pokier than NI with the switch; in fact, considering the size of NI's product line, it went fairly quickly.

Don't put words in my mouth.

ew
Damn. Wish you would have said something sooner. I already sent your comment to NI so they could reevaluate your status as NI forum moderator. You might want to direct them to your rebuttal here.

:P

Re: Komplete 7 near release

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:51 pm
by Machinesworking
beats me wrote:
ewistrand wrote:
beats me wrote:Eh, I was somewhat overreacting in my explanation but it was inspired by ew saying NI lagged on making their software UB which insinuates them taking longer than other companies
That's not what I'm said at all. I said that the UB version took longer to come out; I in no way implied that they were lagging behind others, etc. For God's sake- Spectrasonics used a Rosetta wrapper finally to make Atmosphere UB, and this was two years after the fact. A lot of companies were pokier than NI with the switch; in fact, considering the size of NI's product line, it went fairly quickly.

Don't put words in my mouth.

ew
Damn. Wish you would have said something sooner. I already sent your comment to NI so they could reevaluate your status as NI forum moderator. You might want to direct them to your rebuttal here.

:P
Why you trolling ew? Always a nice helpful guy?
Again, you ripped yourself off by not paying attention to what was going on when you bought Battery.
Sure Guitar Center geeks are to blame to a degree, but Battery 2 had been out for a year BEFORE intel macs came out.
It's hardly surprising that NI would roll UB support into an Upgrade, that you didn't know that, is half your fault and half Guitar Centers.
NI in this case are not to blame, Battery 2 works fine on PPC macs and PCs, which it was designed to do.

Re: Komplete 7 near release

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:25 pm
by beats me
Machinesworking wrote:Why you trolling ew? Always a nice helpful guy?
I thought nobody on here was safe from at least a little tongue in cheek ridicule. I like ew and appreciate his NI assistance on the forum.

I should have posted this 3 years ago when the air was thick with complaints about NI software and customer service. Now they've been elevated to sainthood.

Re: Komplete 7 near release

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:39 pm
by glitchrock-buddha
beats me wrote:
Machinesworking wrote:Why you trolling ew? Always a nice helpful guy?
I should have posted this 3 years ago when the air was thick with complaints about NI software and customer service. Now they've been elevated to sainthood.
:lol: Kinda true. But they've done an amazing turn around, both as far as stability and customer service and communication. There was a while a few years ago where I was considering ditching my NI plugs and hated that I loved them so much. But now I'm pretty happy to have all their toys.

Re: Komplete 7 near release

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:53 pm
by beats me
glitchrock-buddha wrote:
beats me wrote:
Machinesworking wrote:Why you trolling ew? Always a nice helpful guy?
I should have posted this 3 years ago when the air was thick with complaints about NI software and customer service. Now they've been elevated to sainthood.
:lol: Kinda true. But they've done an amazing turn around, both as far as stability and customer service and communication. There was a while a few years ago where I was considering ditching my NI plugs and hated that I loved them so much. But now I'm pretty happy to have all their toys.
That's pretty much my story but when you post about your experience retrospectively you're a big ignorant asshole.

Re: Komplete 7 near release

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:43 pm
by Machinesworking
beats me wrote: That's pretty much my story but when you post about your experience retrospectively you're a big ignorant asshole.
Cry me a river. You were ignorant then, not a heinous crime. Now, you're an asshole for trying to paint out everybody else but you as at fault.

NI could have offered a cheaper upgrade path how? What exact method could they use to determine that you had an Intel Mac at the time of purchase?

Do you think it's their responsibility to take hundreds if not thousands of boxes off the shelves of stores after Apple announces out of the blue a whole new architecture? Especially when it seems logical that a person buying the new Intel Macs would take the time to see if the software is compatible??

How is it NI's fault that they released a product a year earlier than Apple releases Intel Macs, the most logical solution is to offer an upgrade with new sounds and features, not spend thousands of dollars making software that was never marketed or designed to run on Intel Macs compatible.

Apple if anybody are at fault here, they marketed the Intel transition as seamless, didn't even change the name or direction of OSX in any way as to make the customers believe it was easy peasy! when it fact it wasn't. Companies like NI that coded with Codewarrior were forced to rewrite from almost scratch, a huge financial hit, and then people like you take out your frustration that they bought software not designed to run on Intel machines on the people most affected by the transition, developers. Apple made a shit ton of cash, NI I'm certain didn't make money on being singled out for peoples frustrations. Plus recoding for the second fucking time in ten years the same dammed software for Apples computers and customers. The best part? Apple customers blame the developers, never is it even considered that they're working twice as hard on Mac versions as they do for PC versions. Think about it. OS9 to OSX, VST and AU plug ins, and PPC to Intel. Every step of the way somebody isn't going to like their decisions, but it will never be Apple's or their faults.

A lot of developers hate coding for Macs for this very reason, Apple users will blame them for every problem they have, and never think about the consequences of decisions like AU, OS9-OSX, PPC-Intel on the development cost, as if that kind of roadblock is normal and shouldn't be a problem.

NI and other companies did what they could, offering an upgrade path with compatibility is the most logical and least financially destructive thing they could do under the circumstances. The other scenario is to raise the cost of all their software, which is unfair to PC users. Shit? even Ableton more of less bribed you into getting an upgrade with a $50 dollar fee for compatibility in 5.2 and a promise of a discount on the upgrade to 6??

Re: Komplete 7 near release

Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:30 am
by Ben_Binary
beats me wrote: That's pretty much my story but when you post about your experience retrospectively you're a big ignorant asshole.
I been treated like that when posting about NI problems even when it was currently happening...
But the one dude on the side of NI that i do respect is ew and his input is appreciated regardless of what his opinions about NI are.

Re: Komplete 7 near release

Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:38 am
by Ben_Binary
Machinesworking wrote: Cry me a river. You were ignorant then, not a heinous crime. Now, you're an asshole for trying to paint out everybody else but you as at fault.
Dude.

Your crying a river about NI ... if you cry about their poor little business then try walking a mile in the shoes of the consumer.

... and if after that mile, you still dont like what they say ... YOURE A MILE AWAY FROM THEM and you got their shoes :lol:

Re: Komplete 7 near release

Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:56 am
by Machinesworking
Ben_Binary wrote:
Machinesworking wrote: Cry me a river. You were ignorant then, not a heinous crime. Now, you're an asshole for trying to paint out everybody else but you as at fault.
Dude.

Your crying a river about NI ... if you cry about their poor little business then try walking a mile in the shoes of the consumer.

... and if after that mile, you still dont like what they say ... YOURE A MILE AWAY FROM THEM and you got their shoes :lol:
I am an NI consumer, Kore 2 and Komplete 6. You seem to think I work for NI or am a developer, neither is the case.
I've been burned by software bugs, I've also been annoyed at NI, Apple, Ableton, MOTU, Waldorf, Novation you freaking name it.
I'm just not a whiner. For instance for about 6 months I thought that my Kore 1 hardware was hosed, didn't go online posting long diatribes about it, but it was unstable as hell. Turns out the USB cord was defective. All companies do things in a way that may not be what you would like to see, but read what I fucking wrote. NI aren't squeaky clean, Reactor being a mess on Macs until about 4.5 was/is inexcusable, but Apple changing architecture on developers and flat out being deceptive about how easy it is to port software is not NI's fault.

Sad fucking fact of life though is one of the truly annoying stereotypes about Mac users is that they will literally blame everybody but Apple for their software issues, and it's not one made up by butt hurt Windows users, it's just too common. :evil:

Re: Komplete 7 near release

Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:07 pm
by dum
dum wrote:are you telling us you bought a MacIntel and went about buying software without checking if it was compatible or not ?
heh, I thought so. Why anyone is even entertaining beats' moaning is beyond me.

NI sell units to retailers. Retailers sell units to customers/retards. Retards/customers who bought the wrong thing need to seek satisfaction at the point of purchase.

"hello? is this SONY HQ, Tokyo ? Hi, how's it going, I'm a category-A retard and I bought one of your digital cameras. I only just discovered it's not compatible with 35mm film. WTF you gonna do about it asshole ?"

Re: Komplete 7 near release

Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 1:47 am
by bluzfan99
cabbage wrote:Sort of annoying, since I have bought a couple of the sound libraries which are now included. But most of the NI libraries are really, really good. I love the Finger!

Petter
I feel the exact same way. A little bummed that I had already bought 6 and several of the packages that they just added, but I am really excited about Reflektor, the Traktor Effects and Some of the Scarbee Libraries. I would be a great gesture if they maybe offered up a coupon (even a $30 one) for people that had already bought some of these libraries, but all in all I have enjoyed the packages I bought. They were quality sounds. Who knows, maybe they will surprise us (I wont hold my breath though).

Re: Komplete 7 near release

Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:21 am
by wehkah
Komplete 7 seems ok, but the only one im interested on is the REAKTOR PRISM ensemble. For anyone who need some nice sounds and a nice selection of reaktor synths, komplete essentials are great.

peace&sun
T

Re: Komplete 7 near release

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:50 am
by Ben_Binary
Machinesworking wrote:... ...
You sound stressed and unreasonable.

Re: Komplete 7 near release

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:26 am
by Machinesworking
Ben_Binary wrote:
Machinesworking wrote:... ...
You sound stressed and unreasonable.
Ok if we're going to get all emo.
You post like an idiot who blames others for their problems.
Maybe making music with computers isn't for you?

Re: Komplete 7 near release

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:28 pm
by Ben_Binary
Machinesworking wrote:
Ben_Binary wrote:
Machinesworking wrote:... ...
You sound stressed and unreasonable.
Ok if we're going to get all emo.
You post like an idiot who blames others for their problems.
Maybe making music with computers isn't for you?
Yeah, sorry about that.