leedsquietman wrote:What has happened in the past regarding abuse is a tragedy. If you think that what happened is isolated to the Catholic church, Islam, Jewish or anything else, then you are mistaken. There are articles from credible sources which state more children were abused in the Protestant church in the USA from 2006-2009 and they allow priests to be married.
Non church abuse, such as foster care, the Scouts, and youth groups has been just as bad and most likely just as covered up.
The current Pope has stated that the policy of tolerance has ended, cases must be turned over to the police and internal punishment will occur. I don't know what else you want the man to do, except personally cut off the genitalia of the offenders himself. Mistakes were made in the past and it can never be made right for those who suffered but the main reason why there is any relevance attached to history at all is to learn from it.
Homosexuals are allowed to be employed in our Catholic school board and many more in recent times (and eventually it will be mandated by law anyway for those who go against this), although your Catholic friend should surely have considered working for the Public board if he was a practising homosexual to avoid such stress in these times?).
Being sarcastic about the Church being progressive is a sure fire way to shoot it down and have it revert to draconian ways. Some of my best friends are homosexuals, and most Catholics really don't care for them being discriminated against, in a recent poll, only 11% said they would care and encourage it, which is lower than the national average of non believers - whether the Pope likes it or not, as stated before most Catholics don't agree with him on some issues, birth control being a very obvious example. The current Pope has also done an awful lot of great things for many hundreds of thousands of people. You will find a lot more bigoted views on sexual orientation, the role of women, abortion, etc down at your local pub. The man is nearly 80 and probably not too long for the job, so we are hoping for a more progressive Pope next time. In the meantime, unlike most of the bigots down the pub, the Church continues to do a heck of lot of good for many thousands of people every day. Feeding, clothing and support of the poor and homeless at home, being a source of calm and comfort for the millions of believers, and helping to fight poverty and disease abroad, build schools, build drinking wells, donate livestock and start sustainable farming for people who would otherwise starve etc.
Anyway, the point which grinded my gears was 'is that all the protesting they're doing? How soft - if it was me I'd ....'
Well it wasn't you because it's easier to write inflammatory words on the interwebs and most people who write vitriol on the interwebs do so because they don't have the balls nor the true desire to actually be present and act on their words. I'd have more respect if you actually DID throw shoes or get arrested for yelling obscenities at the Pope rather than hiding behind hateful words anonymously.
As always, you read what you want to see. No-one said that the Catholic church holds the monopoly on child abuse. What I said was that the pope is guilty of a crime for which he will not face prosecution this is unfair. He should be held liable, as anyone else would be, for his actions. The court will decide his guilt and his punishment. I'll ignore the protestant abuse claims since you havent actually provided any of these articles for us to have a look at. In any case, it is still church people abusing children. Protestant, catholic, buddhist, makes no difference to me, they are all similarly deluded.
Fin, the pope has said they will be dealt with but I'll tell you what else i want the man to do: Take responsibility for his part in the crimes and face prosecution. What he did was against the law, Leeds, a criminal act. Do you believe the pope is above the law?
You then list a great many thigns on which this new breed of catholic disagrees with the pope. Who are these people and what do you call yourselves for it cannot be Catholic.
The pope said that our country of secularists allowed a pick and choose morality. but surely he would be better off seeing, as you describe, a church full of people who disagree with him on fundamental laws in the catcholic belief system and who, as you also describe, adopt a pick and choose policy in terms of belief.
The bible is right when you want it to be right and wrong when you find it goes against popular opinion. Is that right?
I'm glad you think homosexuality is right. But that isn't what the bible says is it? Is the bible the word of god as the pope teaches? Or is it not? I want you to answer this question:
Is the bible the word of god?: yes or no.
You seem to be describing a set of beliefs that have little to do with catholiscism and a lot to do with having a moral compass.
Then, finally, we are on the same page. I do not need a man in a hat or a book of ancient nonsense to tell me right from wrong.
You seem to be describing the same.
remember Leeds, we have a lot in common. Of the 800 or so gods and religiong out there today. I do not believe in 800 of them and you do not believe in 799.
i think that makes us pretty close in terms of our beliefs. In fact, now your denouncing your bible and your pope...i think we're very very close indeed.
for expecting an overabundance of tolerance in regards to sexual preference from men who (by creed) aren't even supposed to be having sex in the first place. There is WAY too much emphasis on what we (all people) do behind closed doors. If people (everywhere) would keep their sex in their pants/skirts and their bedrooms (where it belongs) we wouldn't have to listen to and/or read all this fucking whining on and on and on about it in the first place. Sex is not the center of the universe despite what the other boys and girls in school told you.
It's not?