alex.the.forge wrote:LoopStationZebra wrote:... I've been a dick at times, sure. But mostly to dum, for God's Sake.
In fact, I think the only time I've actually called someone a cunt was to him?
LoopStationZebra wrote:..
ps. please tell forge that he's still a cunt.
As always Smutek put it like a true gentleman and scholar.
For the record, despite your comment there I was one of the first people saying Neb should let you back in for basically the same reasons Smutek just said here - that you would probably be really different if you were being your real self and not this anonymous persona that is "LoopStationZebra". Basically for the simple reason that on Neb's forum it's not so easy to be an anonymous douche because everyone knows each other on first name basis and respects that there are real people at the other end. Something that used to happen here.
None of this is overreacting or getting too involved in the internet, it's just that it's really, really boring coming to the forum and having to skim past a load of shit and it ends up feeling like a total waste of time. Plus whether it's internet or not, it can still make you feel a bit shitty to have people dump shit on you even anonymously in text.
Personally, I think if people here had more of their own real life persona out in the open they would be less inclined to act like arseholes and more likely to act like they would in person with real people.
In the mean time the only way to do it is with moderation.
I never called you a cunt on the forum - in public, that is. Having said that, I've never hidden the fact that I don't like you. Posting the bit where I seem to be calling you a cunt in public is disengenous. You're a smart guy. You know this.
The Good Old Days.
My God, forge. Honestly. Before the Lounge was created, General was an absolute madhouse. There were ENORMOUS fights and name calling. It wasn't all like that, of course. Just like The Lounge isn't half the hellhole you guys want to make it out to be. I submit to you, however, that the WORST days in the Lounge simply pale by comparison to the venom that was swirling around General for sometimes months on end. If you want me to post examples - where forum regulars and the Great Old Timers - are behaving like absolute shitheels to one another and other people, I'll be glad to do so. This behaviour seemed to run in phases. There was no moderation, but it would die down somewhat, then re-emerge. Pretty soon the Lounge was created; in part to get that stuff out of General/Main.
You and others want to think that things have changed. That it used to be all roses. This is nothing short of nostalgic hindsight; borne out of the fact that new members started coming around who were behaving, well, pretty much like you guys did and it rankled you.
The first thing I noticed before joining this forum was that it seemed to be full of absolute 100% dyed-in-the-wool smartasses. Many Old Timers around here used to pretty much pride themselves on being as Dickish as possible to newbies who either a)Didn't show the proper respect or b)Didn't use the search button when asking a question or c)Both. God help the poor fool who called you guys out on your behaviour. wow.
Saint Neb
The hypocrisy and santimonious pious bullshit is so thick at this point, you could cut it with a knife. The guy has 15,000+ posts here at the Ableton forum. Most of those are good stuff. Neb was a stalwart around here, there's no doubt. But he could also be a raging A-Hole. Case in point:
nebulae wrote:Dude, as a Muslim-American, I find you to be insulting at best, and at worst, a stupid fucking moron. To say things like "put their house in order" labels us as some sort of collective...like we have an agenda. My wife is Catholic and white, and we celebrate the best of both religions. Our son has no sense that there's anything wrong with either religion, and more importantly, we wouldn't care if he decided to become jewish, hindu, or buddhist. (I might have issues with him becoming a satan worshipper, though.) The point is there are bad people out there, and it has nothing to do with what religion they espouse. Osama is a bad person. So is W and Dick. And that's that.
For you to say this kind of closed-minded insipid shit makes me pity you. Please carefully rethink your white-christian-ness while you go fuck yourself. Asshole.
His response here - in the middle section - was measured and proper. It's the
Stupid Fucking Moron,
Go Fuck Yourself and
Asshole bits that sort of stand out, if you know what I mean.
Totally unnecessary. There's a lot more of those kinds of posts. I'd be happy to continue shattering the illusion that Neb is just all sweetness and love if you'd like. There's a looooooot of examples, believe me. Most of which aren't prompted by some white racist dude. The difference between you and me is that I didn't mind his choice of words or tone one bit.
Perception Really IS Reality
Just like I pulled an extreme example up for Neb's behaviour, you guys have taken my worst(?) moments and blown them up way beyond proportion. I just did a random search of my posts and would invite you to do the same. I did several 'Go To Page' searches and was oddly shocked that for every 1 post where I'm being a smartass and/or dickish, there's prolly 10 or more where I'm acting perfectly normal. Hell, at this point I was even starting to believe how much of an asshole I was, so imagine my surprise when I find that most of my responses are without any vitriol whatsoever.
Look, I accept that my dickishness did start to get out of hand the last month. Guilty as charged, okay? But some of you have gotten so incredibly sensitive that even the slightest bit of bad behaviour is amplified 10fold.
The reality is that the atmosphere around here that many of you created and fostered is no longer appealing; for a variety of reasons. You'd like a Lounge that's all sweetness and love and no one gets their feelings hurt. It's not about wanting people to be people and not some anonymous persona. If that were the case, then assholes would be allowed to be assholes because, well, life is full of assholes and you have to deal with them.
No, it's about wanting everyone to conform to what you lot think are acceptable standards of behaviour; regardless of personality types or what someone may be like in real life. Well, you've gotten that now in spades. Congrats. So now you have 2 forums that are pretty much the same, lol.
In closing, while I admit my shoddy behaviour at times, I make no apologies. I'll certainly adhere to David's *admittedly subjective* rules, and who knows? Maybe you'll come to love me.
^see what I did there? The 'come to love me' bit? Smarmy.
