Zeitgeist the movie (would be mandatory viewing if up 2 me)

[M. Bréqs]

Dude,
you always make me throw up at work. Getcha gun and shoot some people in order to buy a bigger car next year, youre so nuts i cant believe you mean it the way you say it.
BIG BAD ISLAM; VERY BAD ; NEED TO KILL; ALL OF THEM!
In germany there are badly biased views too, but living in north america makes you even more scary...

Brrr, stay away from my home,

303

OK, first off, I don't want to kill anybody to buy a bigger car (I don't own a car, I take public transit and ride a bike). I said what I did since I see Huntington's "clash of civilizations" as inevitable, I want my society to continue to survive, and I am glad that we are actively positioning ourselves for future success. This is MUCH more important than materialistic gain, dipshit.

This is about the survival of society; the Greco-Roman tradition of logic and rationalism, and the Judeo-Christian system of morality, and the individualist ideals born in the 18th century.

[smartass303]

No way,
what you call rational is imperialist, it has nothing to do with the rationalism of a descartes...
Beside that this very far away from the what you called *Judeo-christian system of morality*.

AND the individualism thinggie went wrong.

But its great tht you dont fuck around with fossil resources, good for your *moral*.

The active positioning (for future succes) is going to be just fucked up when all the young muslim men are going to come over to europe, TO EUROPE NOT CANADA!

Your fuckin society is going to fuck up mine.

So f**k you

dipshit

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[M. Bréqs]

The active positioning (for future succes) is going to be just fucked up when all the young muslim men are going to come over to europe, TO EUROPE NOT CANADA!

Your fuckin society is going to fuck up mine.

So f**k you

dipshit

303

Hey pal, we come from the same society; WESTERN. I'm on your side on this one. If Europe and North America could actually cooperate, we wouldn't be in such a mess. There's a clash of civilizations coming, and we're trying to position ourselves so that we win it; My message to Europe: GET ON BOARD AND DON'T BE FREELOADERS.

Europe should get serious about border control, stop letting in so many phony asylum seekers, prevent non-european countries like Turkey from joining the EU, and demand assimilation as a condition for other cultures already in Europe. Multi-Culturalism is a dysfunctional ideology that leads only to ghettos and radical subcultures.

So don't blame me that Europe's embrace of leftist guilt has caused itself a demographic nightmare.

As an aside Smartass, you should realize that Europe must also invest heavily in defence, and get pre-positioned herself, because there's a two billion person war coming; we want to help you, but you must help us help you too.

Look at it this way; if a civilizational conflict is inevitable, then:
- Every year it is delayed is another year our energy supplies dwindle, theirs grows.
- Every year they have population growth, we have population decline.
- Every year we become further divided by idealogical, intellectual midgets promoting some sort of "peace and love" myth that cripples us, while their unity of purpose solidifies (the only setback to this trend is the exasperation of the Shiite / Sunni divide we're seeing in Iraq).
- Every year they inch closer to more nuclear weapons (Pakistani nukes are NOT secure, let alone Iranian development) while we endure protest demanding that we dismantle our own.
- Every year they become richer as the price of oil increases, as we get poorer.

ACTING NOW WILL PREVENT WORSE BLOODSHED IN THE FUTURE, and will give us a hope of actually surviving this coming conflict.

So I offer a "truce"; I'm looking out for your interests smartass, if you would just recognize that, then I'm sure we could get along.

[pepezabala]

The active positioning (for future succes) is going to be just fucked up when all the young muslim men are going to come over to europe, TO EUROPE NOT CANADA!

Your fuckin society is going to fuck up mine.

So f**k you

dipshit

303

Hey pal, we come from the same society; WESTERN. I'm on your side on this one. If Europe and North America could actually cooperate, we wouldn't be in such a mess. There's a clash of civilizations coming, and we're trying to position ourselves so that we win it; My message to Europe: GET ON BOARD AND DON'T BE FREELOADERS.

Europe should get serious about border control, stop letting in so many phony asylum seekers, prevent non-european countries like Turkey from joining the EU, and demand assimilation as a condition for other cultures already in Europe. Multi-Culturalism is a dysfunctional ideology that leads only to ghettos and radical subcultures.

So don't blame me that Europe's embrace of leftist guilt has caused itself a demographic nightmare.

As an aside Smartass, you should realize that Europe must also invest heavily in defence, and get pre-positioned herself, because there's a two billion person war coming; we want to help you, but you must help us help you too.

Look at it this way; if a civilizational conflict is inevitable, then:
- Every year it is delayed is another year our energy supplies dwindle, theirs grows.
- Every year they have population growth, we have population decline.
- Every year we become further divided by idealogical, intellectual midgets promoting some sort of "peace and love" myth that cripples us, while their unity of purpose solidifies (the only setback to this trend is the exasperation of the Shiite / Sunni divide we're seeing in Iraq).
- Every year they inch closer to more nuclear weapons (Pakistani nukes are NOT secure, let alone Iranian development) while we endure protest demanding that we dismantle our own.
- Every year they become richer as the price of oil increases, as we get poorer.

ACTING NOW WILL PREVENT WORSE BLOODSHED IN THE FUTURE, and will give us a hope of actually surviving this coming conflict.

So I offer a "truce"; I'm looking out for your interests smartass, if you would just recognize that, then I'm sure we could get along.

Hey, I fully disagree. There is no clash of civilisations. There is only a global mafia selling weapons by means of religion and "clash of civilisations".

[M. Bréqs]

OK, I'll posit one scenario where we could avoid a clash of civilizations;

Islam goes through a reformation whereby the absolute majority (99% or more) of muslims come to the conclusion that the Quran and the hadiths are not absolute, but only symbolic and guidelines rather than rules.

Until Islam goes through the same degree of reformation that Christianity did, I predict that we will continue towards a civilizational war.

So, I see what's going on in the world today, the acts taken by the West to be wise contingency planning considering the odds are not on our side.

[andydes]

The active positioning (for future succes) is going to be just fucked up when all the young muslim men are going to come over to europe, TO EUROPE NOT CANADA!

Your fuckin society is going to fuck up mine.

So f**k you

dipshit

303

Hey pal, we come from the same society; WESTERN. I'm on your side on this one. If Europe and North America could actually cooperate, we wouldn't be in such a mess. There's a clash of civilizations coming, and we're trying to position ourselves so that we win it; My message to Europe: GET ON BOARD AND DON'T BE FREELOADERS.

Europe should get serious about border control, stop letting in so many phony asylum seekers, prevent non-european countries like Turkey from joining the EU, and demand assimilation as a condition for other cultures already in Europe. Multi-Culturalism is a dysfunctional ideology that leads only to ghettos and radical subcultures.

So don't blame me that Europe's embrace of leftist guilt has caused itself a demographic nightmare.

As an aside Smartass, you should realize that Europe must also invest heavily in defence, and get pre-positioned herself, because there's a two billion person war coming; we want to help you, but you must help us help you too.

Look at it this way; if a civilizational conflict is inevitable, then:
- Every year it is delayed is another year our energy supplies dwindle, theirs grows.
- Every year they have population growth, we have population decline.
- Every year we become further divided by idealogical, intellectual midgets promoting some sort of "peace and love" myth that cripples us, while their unity of purpose solidifies (the only setback to this trend is the exasperation of the Shiite / Sunni divide we're seeing in Iraq).
- Every year they inch closer to more nuclear weapons (Pakistani nukes are NOT secure, let alone Iranian development) while we endure protest demanding that we dismantle our own.
- Every year they become richer as the price of oil increases, as we get poorer.

ACTING NOW WILL PREVENT WORSE BLOODSHED IN THE FUTURE, and will give us a hope of actually surviving this coming conflict.

So I offer a "truce"; I'm looking out for your interests smartass, if you would just recognize that, then I'm sure we could get along.

There were people using exactly this logic to argue for first strike nuclear war against the USSR you know.

[trip_out]

Multi-Culturalism is a dysfunctional ideology that leads only to ghettos and radical subcultures.

Ignorant asshole.

[M. Bréqs]

Multi-Culturalism is a dysfunctional ideology that leads only to ghettos and radical subcultures.

Ignorant asshole.

Well, I'm certainly not ignorant. I've visited every continent except one, in my life, and I've lived abroad twice. I also live in an ethnic ghetto (Chinatown). I can see the effects of multiculturalism firsthand every day, it's a poor neighbourhood and there are so many people who can't work outside of the community because they never learned English or French (our two official languages); It's bad, but honestly Chinatown in most Canadian cities is a pretty nice place compared to the banlieus of Paris.

The more assimilation is discouraged, the more people congeal into homogeneous cultural pockets. There is no larger scale integration, no national identity and no cross-cultural cooperation, no true heterogeneous communities.

Multiculturalism is a failed experiment... Sorry, I'm living in it every day, and the residents of suburban Europe can pretty much attest to it's failure as well.

[zstowasser]

peace and love is a myth that cripples us? wow, someone needs a big hug!

pre-emptive strikes is a fancy word for an attack. I know there are crazy people out there and in our current society we need a military. however I feel it should be used as DEFENSE (as its name is used for the budget).

We're the imperialists that you mention.

how do you know that islam is a threat and war is inevitable? why not just leave them alone? why do we have to own the oil? How about developing our own source of fuel and capitalize on it ourselves. oil will run out, lets be leaders and move to the next fuel ahead of time and master the technology and then sell/license/manufacture and distribute it around the world when people need it.

[M. Bréqs]

There were people using exactly this logic to argue for first strike nuclear war against the USSR you know.

I know. It was also the same logic of nuking Japan, which saved millions of lives ultimately. Had the United States destroyed a few key Soviet government / military facilities before 1949, we might have averted the following:

Korean War
Invasion of Hungary
Vietnam War
Afghan War
Chechen War
The Malayan Civil War
multiple Indo-Pakistani wars
Sino-Soviet clashes
Cambodian Civil War
Algerian Civil War
Angolan Civil War

...Get the picture? What's the common thread? Soviet-inspired Communism had its hand in all of those.

By not striking before Summer 1949 (Soviet acquisition of nuclear weapons) the West lost its best chance, and in the long run we were forced to fight a much bloodier series of wars. The destruction and lives lost are a direct result of our inaction. We made the immoral, cowardly choice after WWII. It's a shame we didn't show the necessary resolve then, because millions of people died for our inaction.

[M. Bréqs]

peace and love is a myth that cripples us? wow, someone needs a big hug!

pre-emptive strikes is a fancy word for an attack. I know there are crazy people out there and in our current society we need a military. however I feel it should be used as DEFENSE (as its name is used for the budget).

We're the imperialists that you mention.

how do you know that islam is a threat and war is inevitable? why not just leave them alone? why do we have to own the oil? How about developing our own source of fuel and capitalize on it ourselves. oil will run out, lets be leaders and move to the next fuel ahead of time and master the technology and then sell/license/manufacture and distribute it around the world when people need it.

Of course we're imperialist. But so is Islam. We're just the Imperialists on the way out, while they're the Imperialists coming up. Why don't we just leave them alone? Why didn't we just leave Hitler alone? Oh yeah, inaction was immoral in the face of atrocity. Have you ever been to a muslim country? I have. Pakistan, Jordan, Egypt, Sudan, Bosnia and parts of the Philippines. Some things I've noticed;

1. With the exception of Bosnia (which enjoys Western civilization's influence) the muslims in these countries treat non-muslims like shit (and some muslims like shit too, like their women and children)
2. They are theologically COMPELLED to expand, conquer, and convert.

Put two and two together my friend.

[trip_out]

Multiculturalism is a failed experiment... Sorry, I'm living in it every day, and the residents of suburban Europe can pretty much attest to it's failure as well.

Well as a European myself I consider your ignorance to be very high. Especially since in your eyes my years of happy marriage is a failed experiment.

Given that you live in a country of immigration I find it hard to stomach your standpoint, and your view of Europe - which is continent of multiple cultures (and has been for centuries). Let me refresh your memory - we fought a war against fascism here in Europe, we do not want it back thank you.

[djgroovy]

There were people using exactly this logic to argue for first strike nuclear war against the USSR you know.

I know. It was also the same logic of nuking Japan, which saved millions of lives ultimately. Had the United States destroyed a few key Soviet government / military facilities before 1949, we might have averted the following:

Korean War
Invasion of Hungary
Vietnam War
Afghan War
Chechen War
The Malayan Civil War
multiple Indo-Pakistani wars
Sino-Soviet clashes
Cambodian Civil War
Algerian Civil War
Angolan Civil War

...Get the picture? What's the common thread? Soviet-inspired Communism had its hand in all of those.

By not striking before Summer 1949 (Soviet acquisition of nuclear weapons) the West lost its best chance, and in the long run we were forced to fight a much bloodier series of wars. The destruction and lives lost are a direct result of our inaction. We made the immoral, cowardly choice after WWII. It's a shame we didn't show the necessary resolve then, because millions of people died for our inaction.

Man, if they destroy the rest of the world, there will be no more wars. If the USA government wasn´t just a bunch of caring people, who look at no expenses to look out for other people's wellfare, they would just nuke the fucking planet out. There! No more multi-culturalism, no more problems.

[M. Bréqs]

Multiculturalism is a failed experiment... Sorry, I'm living in it every day, and the residents of suburban Europe can pretty much attest to it's failure as well.

Well as a European myself I consider your ignorance to be very high. Especially since in your eyes my years of happy marriage is a failed experiment.

Given that you live in a country of immigration I find it hard to stomach your standpoint, and your view of Europe - which is continent of multiple cultures (and has been for centuries). Let me refresh your memory - we fought a war against fascism here in Europe, we do not want it back thank you.

You're confusing multi-cultural with multi-racial. Multi-racial couples, and multi-racial societies function perfectly when they have a homogeneous CULTURE. Do you and your spouse speak the same language(s)? Do you both agree on similar principles of democracy, freedom of speech and woman's rights? Do you both share a belief system, or a tolerance for other belief systems? If so, THEN YOU AND YOUR SPOUSE SHARE THE SAME CULTURE.

[M. Bréqs]

Man, if they destroy the rest of the world, there will be no more wars. If the USA government wasn´t just a bunch of caring people, who look at no expenses to look out for other people's wellfare, they would just nuke the fucking planet out. There! No more multi-culturalism, no more problems.

I didn't propose the destruction of the world, I proposed select targets in the Soviet Union to cripple the regime prior to 1949 to PREVENT other conflict. If you're going to criticize, at least read what I post rather than make stuff up.