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its been downhill for music and musicians since:
1) finger boards on stringed instruments had frets added so non musicians could play in tune without getting their technique right
2) musical notation was designed, fakers can now play a composition without learning it by heart from a true master.

if its not just voice and clapping its artificial synthy shite.

i blame irony.

x9 wrote:btw the biggest problem for music whtasoever is the absence of the girl you could fall in love with. watching the development over the last century i must say: the girl the songs were about is dead. and so the current "songs" are. music has become a two sided field, a field for idiots trying to make some of the biz´ last money - and some boys doing nerdy bullshit. there´s not much thats really to be called musicial, thats really driven by a deep, "desperate" yearning. so, who the fuck is still in love? hardly anyone. all are - somehow - satisfied on low appeal.

Wow, there's actually something to this. Key word being "yearning". Irony is part of it, also we are just so informed and realistic at an ever younger age now.

I was struggling finishing songs and a friend of mine who's a writer asked me to use one word to get describe what I was trying to get across. I went on for awhile, rambling about something or other and he stopped me and said, "Yearning, if there's one thing I'd like to express to people it's that sense of yearning". It's such a basic human emotion and that stuck with me.

anybody human wrote:

x9 wrote:btw the biggest problem for music whtasoever is the absence of the girl you could fall in love with. watching the development over the last century i must say: the girl the songs were about is dead. and so the current "songs" are. music has become a two sided field, a field for idiots trying to make some of the biz´ last money - and some boys doing nerdy bullshit. there´s not much thats really to be called musicial, thats really driven by a deep, "desperate" yearning. so, who the fuck is still in love? hardly anyone. all are - somehow - satisfied on low appeal.

Wow, there's actually something to this. Key word being "yearning". Irony is part of it, also we are just so informed and realistic at an ever younger age now.

I was struggling finishing songs and a friend of mine who's a writer asked me to use one word to get describe what I was trying to get across. I went on for awhile, rambling about something or other and he stopped me and said, "Yearning, if there's one thing I'd like to express to people it's that sense of yearning". It's such a basic human emotion and that stuck with me.

desire sounds better than yearning

a lot of this 'yearning' / 'desire' stuff sounds a bit adolescent to me. Sorry.
poetry, painting and sculpture can do a lot better than just mope about 'the girl I love' and so can music. A bit of craft and a bit of artistry is whats required to evoke all sorts of feelings, senses of time & place, and other things too. Music is a language that can bypass the critical pre-frontal cortex to trigger a direct response, as if the listener were experiencing the actual thing the music represents. A meme of a mental state.

I don't think that much art can be be successfully reduced to one word. Sure you could do it, but it's over simplification. A picture paints a thousand words, not one.

However, I do think it's worth trying to formulate what you want to convey through music. When I write I find of an image that symbolizes the vibe of the piece, and I refer to it to make sure I've not drifted too much. It's odd how just looking at the reference image makes the whole tune re-coalesce in my mind, into a coherent thing with internal meaning. It's like writing for a film..

I digress.

tldr; music must evoke a response in the listener, emotional, intellectual, or physical.

no

Depends on societies demands. The more we societally or globally are satisfied with a greater balance of technology to human 'voice' the less we demand human creativity and what the machine cannot provide.

absolutely not

Whenever you try to define what constitutes music (or art) you soon realise that your definition excludes most of it.

Yearning doesn't have to be romantic, it could be for all sorts of things, spiritual, whatever, you name it. Art is very often related to this need to express, a longing to connect, empathize, and so on. It just struck me as a purely eloquent way of looking at it. There's all kinds of emotion expressed in music, but I think that longing, or a wish to find something deep within is missing (outside of cliche romantic stuff) a lot of times. It's there in even the happiest to the most meloncholy John Lennon songs for instance. Or along simpler lines, even a song like Desire by Bruce Springsteen stands out because it expresses a common theme in such a stark, direct way. Just a thought. Computers certainly can't do it... yet.

No one is defining what art is. It's a thread about what technology can and can't do. Whatever, carry on I'm done musing.

i dont give a fk what sounds "adolescent" inspiration is inspiration.

If you DESIRE to slam a chick, and you want to write a song about it, that's your inspiration.

about the yearning/desire thing.


blaming sth of "being adolescent" is just missing the key of it all. of life, poetry, philosophy, art, human strength.


so get down, get calm, get grown. get boring, empty, lifeless, with weak emotions always done before they could speak for themselves. train yourself to death. call it wise, call it intellecual, call it perfectionism. avoid the struggle, avoid hysteria, avoid intensity. become cool. name yourself "artist" and count the three people you have paid for raving at your gigs or songs all over again and again. buy a new apple app.

or do some adolescent drugs and set the world on fire. death or the prison they throw you at will be the best place for making truly desirable music for wild adolescents running into life.

x9 wrote:death…will be the best place for making truly desirable music for…life.

I like where you're going with this.