Gun control? We need medication control!!!!!

[Vivo]

http://www.naturalnews.com/038353_gun_c ... Lanza.html

I'd bet money this kid was on Prozac, Ritalin or some other prescription drug that caused him to go mad.

Bottom line, some people can successfully digest these drugs and for them the drug works.

However, some people can not and for them they go completely insane.

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http://www.yourlawyer.com/articles/titl ... er-suicide

"This is the first case involving Lilly that we have hard scientific proof that our client had a hard time metabolizing Prozac," he said.

A blood test found high levels of fluoxetine, Prozac's active ingredient, in the body of Clarkston, Mich., police officer Daren Alli following his May 23, 2001 suicide, the lawsuit alleges.

Alli had taken Prozac for three days to alleviate a "mild" case of depression, but threw the pills in the toilet after they made him "jumpy" and "jittery," said his widow, Michele.

Four days later, the SWAT team captain shot himself in the head with a .38-caliber revolver.

"I know that Daren did not make this decision. Those drugs took him from us," said Michele Alli, a registered nurse and mother of two.

The lawsuit alleged that a human enzyme dubbed CYP2D6 normally metabolizes or breaks down Prozac and similar drugs in the body, but fails to do so in a minority of people. In their bodies, the active ingredient in Prozac builds up to high levels, putting them at risk of violence and suicide, the lawsuit alleged.

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Violence in Schools? It's the Prozac and Ritalin Stupid!

http://www.totalityofbeing.com/Frameles ... lence.html

Wow, I'm so glad I'm not the only one saying this. Pills seriously screw people up, I think they're a "for lack of a better answer" solution only. I looked up the side effects of some adhd medication and people were having psychotic effects, but when asking my doctor I was told it doesn't do that because "it's not in the statistics."

Doctors are essential on big pharma's payroll. They don't give a sh#@T about you.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500188_162- ... o-doctors/

[stringtapper]

The trick in a revolution is to win over the armed forces, at rank and file level, but to never trust the generals. Just in case anyone was wondering.

Actually, I think the trick in a revolution is to make sure that you're somewhere else, preferably a very long way away.

[beatmunga]

http://www.naturalnews.com/038353_gun_c ... Lanza.html

I'd bet money this kid was on Prozac, Ritalin or some other prescription drug that caused him to go mad.

Bottom line, some people can successfully digest these drugs and for them the drug works.

However, some people can not and for them they go completely insane.

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http://www.yourlawyer.com/articles/titl ... er-suicide

"This is the first case involving Lilly that we have hard scientific proof that our client had a hard time metabolizing Prozac," he said.

A blood test found high levels of fluoxetine, Prozac's active ingredient, in the body of Clarkston, Mich., police officer Daren Alli following his May 23, 2001 suicide, the lawsuit alleges.

Alli had taken Prozac for three days to alleviate a "mild" case of depression, but threw the pills in the toilet after they made him "jumpy" and "jittery," said his widow, Michele.

Four days later, the SWAT team captain shot himself in the head with a .38-caliber revolver.

"I know that Daren did not make this decision. Those drugs took him from us," said Michele Alli, a registered nurse and mother of two.

The lawsuit alleged that a human enzyme dubbed CYP2D6 normally metabolizes or breaks down Prozac and similar drugs in the body, but fails to do so in a minority of people. In their bodies, the active ingredient in Prozac builds up to high levels, putting them at risk of violence and suicide, the lawsuit alleged.

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Violence in Schools? It's the Prozac and Ritalin Stupid!

http://www.totalityofbeing.com/Frameles ... lence.html

Wow, I'm so glad I'm not the only one saying this. Pills seriously screw people up, I think they're a "for lack of a better answer" solution only. I looked up the side effects of some adhd medication and people were having psychotic effects, but when asking my doctor I was told it doesn't do that because "it's not in the statistics."

Doctors are essential on big pharma's payroll. They don't give a sh#@T about you.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500188_162- ... o-doctors/

'Cept all them ones what saves our lives

[Vivo]

'Cept all them ones what saves our lives[/quote]

Stop eating processed foods and save your OWN life.

[beatmunga]

'Cept all them ones what saves our lives

Stop eating processed foods and save your OWN life.

'Cos salad munchers don't ever get shot with guns, do they?

[beats me]

People just need to quit making more people. Seriously, take a few decades off. So many problems solved right there. Enjoy the freedom.

[beatmunga]

People just need to quit making more people. Seriously, take a few decades off. So many problems solved right there. Enjoy the freedom.

You big softie, you!

Avuncular is the word for you, beats.

Avuncular.

[Vivo]

Switzerland issues every adult a gun and trains them how to use it: Switzerland has lowest gun-related crime rate in the civilized world.

Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world, with 45.7 guns per 100 residents (ranking below only the United States, Serbia, and Yemen in this measurement).

A list of countries by firearm-related death rate shows Switzerland as having 6.4 firearm deaths per 100,000 population per year, a figure considerably lower than in the United States (10.27) but higher than a number of other countries. As for gun-related crime in general, a 2001 BBC article reported that in Switzerland "the gun crime rate is so low that statistics are not even kept."

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/switzerland.asp

[fishmonkey]

Switzerland issues every adult a gun and trains them how to use it: Switzerland has lowest gun-related crime rate in the civilized world.

Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world, with 45.7 guns per 100 residents (ranking below only the United States, Serbia, and Yemen in this measurement).

A list of countries by firearm-related death rate shows Switzerland as having 6.4 firearm deaths per 100,000 population per year, a figure considerably lower than in the United States (10.27) but higher than a number of other countries. As for gun-related crime in general, a 2001 BBC article reported that in Switzerland "the gun crime rate is so low that statistics are not even kept."

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/switzerland.asp

lies, damned lies, and statistics...

i take it you've never been to Switzerland? i assume that you are blindly implying from this that it is drugs in the USA that make people shoot each other? it's a completely different culture. your way of thinking is so black and white it's ridiculous.

[artpunk]

This distressing topic cannot be simplified to any one cause. It is multifactorial. To simply insist that controlling medications will solve these issues, as Vivo's post title seems to suggest, is to miss so many points, one of the major ones being this insane belief that being able to own weapons that are designed to take life is a 'right'
Here's another perspective that outlines the struggle America must have with itself for any kind of sanity & safety to prevail:

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/-2bj8a.html

No doubt the OP won't read it, as my previous points & links have all but been ignored, but this only strengthen my belief that deep down, the OP might be beginning to see the points being made have sound basis in logic and fact...

[Vivo]

This distressing topic cannot be simplified to any one cause. It is multifactorial. To simply insist that controlling medications will solve these issues, as Vivo's post title seems to suggest, is to miss so many points, one of the major ones being this insane belief that being able to own weapons that are designed to take life is a 'right'
Here's another perspective that outlines the struggle America must have with itself for any kind of sanity & safety to prevail:

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/-2bj8a.html

No doubt the OP won't read it, as my previous points & links have all but been ignored, but this only strengthen my belief that deep down, the OP might be beginning to see the points being made have sound basis in logic and fact...

"Arkansas Republican called Jay Dickey told an International Herald Tribune journalist that ''it's really simple with me. We have the right to bear arms because of the threat of government taking over the freedoms that we have''. By this, the man can only mean the freedom to kill, which he cherishes higher than the freedom to be governed democratically. It is indeed a frightening remark because the US government is seen as the enemy."




Your article does not address what is making people kill. It only opines about the aftermath.

Yes, this is a multifactorial problem;otherwise, people wouldn't be on anti depressants in the first place. However, it's the DRUGS that pushed a SWAT team captain to suicide after only 3 days of use.

Ban the drugs not the guns.

I recently learned that Adam Lanza had Aspergers.

What is the treatment for Aspergers? Paxil, Prozac or Zoloft ...

http://www.myaspergerschild.com/2009/08 ... drome.html

Ban the drugs not the guns.

[rakim87]

'Cept all them ones what saves our lives

psychiatrists really don't seem to. once you're labeled with a disorder they don't even consider you human. regular doctors that i know seem so systematic, they're not really concerned with your problems. you input symptoms and they output a diagnosis. even if they do care, it's a business.

[artpunk]

Ban the drugs not the guns.

How about control both?
It's like you read the article but nothing actually sunk in. Oh well, I can see that you are obviously in quite a profound state of denial regarding the guns issue, but anyway, you and many others who seem happy to see these kind of tradgedies keep repeating over & over again all jusified by your precious second ammendment. How many more innocents have to die?
I also asked earlier exactly how you could envision the people defending themselves against a tyrranical government? (If the need ever arose) Like how its going down in Syria? Personally I tend to agree with funken on this issue. We are all existing under one form of tyranny or another, some being more overt about it than others.

[Vivo]

Ban the drugs not the guns.

How about control both?
It's like you read the article but nothing actually sunk in. Oh well, I can see that you are obviously in quite a profound state of denial regarding the guns issue, but anyway, you and many others who seem happy to see these kind of tradgedies keep repeating over & over again all jusified by your precious second ammendment. How many more innocents have to die?
I also asked earlier exactly how you could envision the people defending themselves against a tyrranical government? (If the need ever arose) Like how its going down in Syria? Personally I tend to agree with funken on this issue. We are all existing under one form of tyranny or another, some being more overt about it than others.

I've already said their should be no machine guns available to citizens and that you shouldn't be able to purchase firearms if you are being prescribed anti depressants. I understand that the kid got to his mother's guns anyway. You can't legislate everything or would you prefer an outright ban on guns altogether?

---- how you could envision the people defending themselves against a tyrranical government? ----

When British soldiers invaded homes and had their way it wasn't fair or pretty and I'm sure
the fighting on both sides wasn't either.

Killing someone via a drone isn't any more noble than killing someone as a suicide bomber.

[Forge.]

---- how you could envision the people defending themselves against a tyrranical government? ----

When British soldiers invaded homes and had their way it wasn't fair or pretty and I'm sure
the fighting on both sides wasn't either.

Killing someone via a drone isn't any more noble than killing someone as a suicide bomber.

I really wouldn't want to be there if things get to that point. But then, to be the devils advocate, if 9/11 was an inside job then you are already dealing with some evil tyrannical fuckers right there.... so when do you start out with the guns? What is the breaking point?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... bFphX5zb8w