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Yo JuanSOLO what is the MonoSequencer M4L patch?

cheers

I told you at the top of the page.

pistacchioso wrote:if i close my eyes I cannot really say if a song has been done with a real Moog or a good VST

If I close my eyes I couldn't tell if someone was playing with Guitar Rig through a PA or a though a real Orange Amp and Cab.
Yet when I am sitting there with Guitar Rig trying to get a fuzzed out compressed guitar, vs a Z Vex Fuzz though and Orange Amp and Tube head, it's insanely obvious which one has the magic.

Fuck it, maybe you guys are right I'm reading too much in to it, Live's Overdrive, Reverb, and Chorus sound just as good as any reverb, chorus, and overdrive. I'm gonna go sell all my hardware and go on vacation.

I do this thing where I recreate the settings of presets in Sylenth on my Virus so that I get the same sound. There is a noticable difference. The Virus is bigger and richer sounding.

There's a difference. The question though is, does that matter. For some yes, others no.

Like I said earlier, it depends on what camp you fall into. If your goal is to make jams by any means necessary, this difference probably means little to you. If you're a genuinely curious person and have the means, the difference matters.

I'm not even sure why there's a debate about this. Musicians obviously want and like Moog gear. Who are we to judge that, and why would we even care.

Curious...

So, a genuine question: when was the last time you heard someone, I mean ANYONE, play a sound on a new Analog synth and your immediate reaction was 'HOLY SHIT THAT SOUND IS AMAZING!' Amazing as in, "I can't do that anywhere else for far less money."

I can honestly say my answer is -- Never. All I hear people doing -- whether in YouTube videos, or in the local non-chain hipster synth shop, or in NAMM videos featuring either 'product specialists' or Paid Famous Demonstrators -- is the same blippy, bleepy, squelchy farts and drizzles that every fucking analog synth since 1970 has made. How are people still entertained by this? You do realize the Sub Phatty is like 1% different than every other new analog Moog has released in the past eight years, yes?

'Look you can make a standard Moog bass, watch me play a one handed funk riff THAT YOU'VE NEVER HEARD BEFORE.

'Look you can make a popping glitch sequence, it sounds like a robot with diarrhea.'

'Look is has resonance! Crank it way up like this -- it sounds absolutely awful, but it murders problem cats AND damages hearing!"

'Look, I needed to spend another grand on a mono synth so you could hear this Snappy Funk Moog Bas--OH SHIT UHHH, HANG ON I CAN...'

(disclaimer: Yes I KNOW this angle is anything but new. Here I go anyway.) Which says to me: this isn't about Sound. This is about Style. This is about Branding. This is exactly the same as why certain teenagers want to wear Guess Jeans and would cry if their parents bought them Old Navy instead (or whatever). Ok, better comparison: it's like people who want to collect fancy old cars with terrible mileage that need constant upkeep. They clearly have numerous limitations compared to modern alernatives. But they are cool, and fun to take around the block, and mean a lot to the collectors and afficionados out there. But functionally, in terms of the actual POINT OF DRIVING, they do not provide any improved method of, well, Getting There.

So until somebody hits a key on one of these things and the result ISN'T one more goddamn SQUELCH FART SPIT sound, and rather IS a beast of sound so tremendous I think "YO MTV RAPS I CAN'T DROP ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN OMNISPHERE!" I will remain convinced that paying one thousand dollars for a monophonic instrument with MOOG written on it is functionally meaningless beyond whatever brand placebo the buyer is suffering from. Trust me, you can sound like that Flying Lotus 'song' for far less damaging blows to your wallet & dignity.

mholloway wrote:terrible mileage that need constant upkeep.

Sounds just like a laptop to me.

mholloway, you gonna hate this, dont watch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJTMVFSjhVo

or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y3Uy_hK9nU

I have that Xm5da on vinyl, seriously, not much comes close to that.
It's so fat there's nothing left for software to eat.

This is what's up.

http://www.elektron.se/products/analog

I love this thing...I love all their gear.

DSI Prophet 12 at NAMM too.

mholloway wrote:So, a genuine question: when was the last time you heard someone, I mean ANYONE, play a sound on a new Analog synth and your immediate reaction was 'HOLY SHIT THAT SOUND IS AMAZING!' Amazing as in, "I can't do that anywhere else for far less money."

every time I go into Guitar Center and twiddle with the high end synths.


every single time.

mholloway wrote:So, a genuine question: when was the last time you heard someone, I mean ANYONE, play a sound on a new Analog synth and your immediate reaction was 'HOLY SHIT THAT SOUND IS AMAZING!' Amazing as in, "I can't do that anywhere else for far less money."

I can honestly say my answer is -- Never. All I hear people doing -- whether in YouTube videos, or in the local non-chain hipster synth shop, or in NAMM videos featuring either 'product specialists' or Paid Famous Demonstrators -- is the same blippy, bleepy, squelchy farts and drizzles that every fucking analog synth since 1970 has made. How are people still entertained by this? You do realize the Sub Phatty is like 1% different than every other new analog Moog has released in the past eight years, yes?

'Look you can make a standard Moog bass, watch me play a one handed funk riff THAT YOU'VE NEVER HEARD BEFORE.

'Look you can make a popping glitch sequence, it sounds like a robot with diarrhea.'

'Look is has resonance! Crank it way up like this -- it sounds absolutely awful, but it murders problem cats AND damages hearing!"

'Look, I needed to spend another grand on a mono synth so you could hear this Snappy Funk Moog Bas--OH SHIT UHHH, HANG ON I CAN...'

(disclaimer: Yes I KNOW this angle is anything but new. Here I go anyway.) Which says to me: this isn't about Sound. This is about Style. This is about Branding. This is exactly the same as why certain teenagers want to wear Guess Jeans and would cry if their parents bought them Old Navy instead (or whatever). Ok, better comparison: it's like people who want to collect fancy old cars with terrible mileage that need constant upkeep. They clearly have numerous limitations compared to modern alernatives. But they are cool, and fun to take around the block, and mean a lot to the collectors and afficionados out there. But functionally, in terms of the actual POINT OF DRIVING, they do not provide any improved method of, well, Getting There.

So until somebody hits a key on one of these things and the result ISN'T one more goddamn SQUELCH FART SPIT sound, and rather IS a beast of sound so tremendous I think "YO MTV RAPS I CAN'T DROP ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN OMNISPHERE!" I will remain convinced that paying one thousand dollars for a monophonic instrument with MOOG written on it is functionally meaningless beyond whatever brand placebo the buyer is suffering from. Trust me, you can sound like that Flying Lotus 'song' for far less damaging blows to your wallet & dignity.

LOL. Epic post, 1000% agreed.

Best thing I've ever read in my life!!

quote="mholloway"]So, a genuine question: when was the last time you heard someone, I mean ANYONE, play a sound on a new Analog synth and your immediate reaction was 'HOLY SHIT THAT SOUND IS AMAZING!' Amazing as in, "I can't do that anywhere else for far less money."

I can honestly say my answer is -- Never. All I hear people doing -- whether in YouTube videos, or in the local non-chain hipster synth shop, or in NAMM videos featuring either 'product specialists' or Paid Famous Demonstrators -- is the same blippy, bleepy, squelchy farts and drizzles that every fucking analog synth since 1970 has made. How are people still entertained by this? You do realize the Sub Phatty is like 1% different than every other new analog Moog has released in the past eight years, yes?

'Look you can make a standard Moog bass, watch me play a one handed funk riff THAT YOU'VE NEVER HEARD BEFORE.

'Look you can make a popping glitch sequence, it sounds like a robot with diarrhea.'

'Look is has resonance! Crank it way up like this -- it sounds absolutely awful, but it murders problem cats AND damages hearing!"

'Look, I needed to spend another grand on a mono synth so you could hear this Snappy Funk Moog Bas--OH SHIT UHHH, HANG ON I CAN...'

(disclaimer: Yes I KNOW this angle is anything but new. Here I go anyway.) Which says to me: this isn't about Sound. This is about Style. This is about Branding. This is exactly the same as why certain teenagers want to wear Guess Jeans and would cry if their parents bought them Old Navy instead (or whatever). Ok, better comparison: it's like people who want to collect fancy old cars with terrible mileage that need constant upkeep. They clearly have numerous limitations compared to modern alernatives. But they are cool, and fun to take around the block, and mean a lot to the collectors and afficionados out there. But functionally, in terms of the actual POINT OF DRIVING, they do not provide any improved method of, well, Getting There.

So until somebody hits a key on one of these things and the result ISN'T one more goddamn SQUELCH FART SPIT sound, and rather IS a beast of sound so tremendous I think "YO MTV RAPS I CAN'T DROP ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN OMNISPHERE!" I will remain convinced that paying one thousand dollars for a monophonic instrument with MOOG written on it is functionally meaningless beyond whatever brand placebo the buyer is suffering from. Trust me, you can sound like that Flying Lotus 'song' for far less damaging blows to your wallet & dignity.[/quote]