Bit of politics? Lovely......

anonymouse · Post by **anonymouse** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:02 pm

noisetonepause wrote:I'm still not convinced that "they" just hate "us" and want to rob us of our way of life.

"they" just want to protect and promote their own way of life. Bush prefers to spin it that they are a threat to the American way of life. At least half of America believes this to be true. Disagree, and you'll be branded unpatriotic and forced to shut your mouth.

The clear reality is that the US/UK is the aggressor; armed to the teeth with hundred of billions of dollars-worth of weaponry.

12micsn1 · Post by **12micsn1** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:09 pm

noisetonepause wrote:"Promoting American Interests". And you accept this is as gospel?

Just. Stop. Please.

Why? You cant stand a valid argument to your stupidity that you need me to stop? Your an IDIOT!!!!! Your arrogantly dumb just face it your the greatest insult to humanity. Heres even more information that your brain lacks to the religious element from a from a secularist. You sinner of arrogant stupidity.

http://www.secularislam.org/articles/wtc.htm

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 5:36 pm

You keep on pointing to editorials to back up your beliefs 12micsn1,
editorials on the anger of fundamentalists. So what about Pat Robertson asking for the assassination of the president of Venezuela? What do you think of that?

Why do you ignore any indication that the west might be guilty causing the violence? You don't address it at all. What about the continual roll the west has played in keeping assholes like the Saudi king in power? or the CIA coup in Iran? The CIA coup isn't a conspiracy theory, it's hard fact, and easy to find information on.

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/coup53/coup53p1.php

Ok so that one was from a pro Iran website, so my bad, but hey look at this!

http://www.cia.gov/csi/studies/vol48no2/article10.html

It's from the CIA itself!

Anyway I think you need to lighten up a bit, and read a little more, that's all.

computo · Post by **computo** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 5:44 pm

CIA? Conspiracy? Coup? Coverup?

Those words dont go in the same sentence!!!?!?

School of the Americas...check it out.

12micsn1 · Post by **12micsn1** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:34 am

Machinesworking wrote:You keep on pointing to editorials to back up your beliefs 12micsn1,
editorials on the anger of fundamentalists. So what about Pat Robertson asking for the assassination of the president of Venezuela? What do you think of that?

Why do you ignore any indication that the west might be guilty causing the violence? You don't address it at all. What about the continual roll the west has played in keeping assholes like the Saudi king in power? or the CIA coup in Iran? The CIA coup isn't a conspiracy theory, it's hard fact, and easy to find information on.

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/coup53/coup53p1.php

Ok so that one was from a pro Iran website, so my bad, but hey look at this!

http://www.cia.gov/csi/studies/vol48no2/article10.html

It's from the CIA itself!

Anyway I think you need to lighten up a bit, and read a little more, that's all.

Since you want to take the religious element an link it to the CIA. i commend you on sharing this history for it is factual in detail. History is a very powerful subject. Theres nothing I can refute here since this history has been used as an example to promote the Great Satan anti-America propaganda time and time again. Dont be so fooled by this alone to the problems that exist with the religious element issue. The 1953 coup is small in comparison to whatever has happend in history but still very damaging in US-Iran and Middle East relations. Theres alot more dirt out there that needs to be exposed then just this religous element to the terrorism argument. Lets get down in the dirt here on whats not really known on Muslim history. This time nothing totally related to the so-called war on terrorism.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a8ff1c12efe.htm
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/c ... 052003.asp
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Re ... p?ID=16533
http://www.jannah.org/articles/precolumbus.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/s ... 150556.asp

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 2:02 am

12micsn1 wrote:History is a very powerful subject. Theres nothing I can refute here since this history has been used as an example to promote the Great Satan anti-America propaganda time and time again. Dont be so fooled by this alone to the problems that exist with the religious element issue. The 1953 coup is small in comparison to whatever has happend in history but still very damaging in US-Iran and Middle East relations. There's alot more dirt out there that needs to be exposed then just this religous element to the terrorism argument.

OK, you're from Germany right? or at least your signature makes it seem like you are. I know without any hesitation that if a USA president had been overthrown by outside forces, that americans would be bombing and killing, and causing all kinds of trouble towards whatever government was behind it. That the Iran people haven't been as responsible for the rashes of terrorism as people from other countries in the middle east says something about the general education, and forgiving nature of the typical iranian.
Most of the terrorists have come from Saudi Arabia, ruled by a king, that the USA backs openly. He is also a total piece of garbage, he has thrown what should be one of the richest nations in the world into debt to the USA, and shown himself to be a total hypocrite.
Did you know that the USA snuck at least two dozen SS officers into America, and gave them good jobs in the government etc.? The whole of the world was guilty of secretly admiring the nazis, even Tibet was friendly towards them. I think one of the reasons we didn't join in WWII earlier was that we hadn't decided fully which side to join. Remember, communism is absolutely opposed to capitalism, but fascism is not. That's a simple fact.

the muslims and the jews have hated each other for as long as history can recall. It was a TOTAL mistake IMO, to form Israel after WWII. Honestly though, it makes perfect sense if you are a capitalist in the west, and want to make sure there is NO chance of stability in the Middle East.

Macrostructure · Post by **Macrostructure** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:11 pm

udp wrote:You didn't answer a single question. On either topic. I didn't moan I simply pointed out an oversight..

Thanks for your opinion. Do you actually want to talk about climate change or do you want to just want to somehow prove that man has no role in it by nit-picking at my posts on the Ableton forum?

udp wrote:I thought you might be the first to enlighten me, I was wrong. the fact remains that the earth warmed and cooled itself long before man ever existed. It is arrogant and foolish to think we can destroy what we didn't put here..

I can only conclude that you didn't follow the reference link I gave you, otherwise you would be more enlightened than you were before. True?

If you get time out from ignoring the obvious, have a look at these:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/kyoto/kyotobrf.html

http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/convkp/kpeng.html

...and my personal favourite:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/kyoto/scope.html , paragraph 3 should both interest and enlighten you.

Macrostructure · Post by **Macrostructure** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:14 pm

12micsn1 wrote:
noisetonepause wrote:"Promoting American Interests". And you accept this is as gospel?

Just. Stop. Please.
Why? You cant stand a valid argument to your stupidity that you need me to stop? Your an IDIOT!!!!! Your arrogantly dumb just face it your the greatest insult to humanity. Heres even more information that your brain lacks to the religious element from a from a secularist. You sinner of arrogant stupidity.

http://www.secularislam.org/articles/wtc.htm

I hope you are "looking secretly inside ableton HQ" 'cos you are scary and if they see you they will run a mile........

12micsn1 · Post by **12micsn1** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:12 pm

Macrostructure wrote:
12micsn1 wrote:
noisetonepause wrote:"Promoting American Interests". And you accept this is as gospel?

Just. Stop. Please.
Why? You cant stand a valid argument to your stupidity that you need me to stop? Your an IDIOT!!!!! Your arrogantly dumb just face it your the greatest insult to humanity. Heres even more information that your brain lacks to the religious element from a from a secularist. You sinner of arrogant stupidity.

http://www.secularislam.org/articles/wtc.htm
I hope you are "looking secretly inside ableton HQ" 'cos you are scary and if they see you they will run a mile........

Booo! Yes, they should run for there lives. i, Dr. Evil can finally, now have complete control over Ableton. whoo haa haaaaa. World look out for things to come.

robbie111 · Post by **robbie111** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:24 pm

climate change??? That's easy to stop. Just look up in the sky at all the nice clouds. CHEMTRAILS

Macrostructure · Post by **Macrostructure** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:27 pm

robbie111 wrote:climate change??? That's easy to stop. Just look up in the sky at all the nice clouds. CHEMTRAILS

huh?

computo · Post by **computo** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:32 pm

12micsn1 wrote:Why? You cant stand a valid argument to your stupidity that you need me to stop? Your an IDIOT!!!!! Your arrogantly dumb just face it your the greatest insult to humanity. Heres even more information that your brain lacks to the religious element from a from a secularist. You sinner of arrogant stupidity.

http://www.secularislam.org/articles/wtc.htm

takes one to know one, guy.

computo · Post by **computo** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:37 pm

Machinesworking wrote:OK, you're from Germany right? or at least your signature makes it seem like you are. I know without any hesitation that if a USA president had been overthrown by outside forces, that americans would be bombing and killing, and causing all kinds of trouble towards whatever government was behind it. That the Iran people haven't been as responsible for the rashes of terrorism as people from other countries in the middle east says something about the general education, and forgiving nature of the typical iranian.
Most of the terrorists have come from Saudi Arabia, ruled by a king, that the USA backs openly. He is also a total piece of garbage, he has thrown what should be one of the richest nations in the world into debt to the USA, and shown himself to be a total hypocrite.
Did you know that the USA snuck at least two dozen SS officers into America, and gave them good jobs in the government etc.? The whole of the world was guilty of secretly admiring the nazis, even Tibet was friendly towards them. I think one of the reasons we didn't join in WWII earlier was that we hadn't decided fully which side to join. Remember, communism is absolutely opposed to capitalism, but fascism is not. That's a simple fact.

the muslims and the jews have hated each other for as long as history can recall. It was a TOTAL mistake IMO, to form Israel after WWII. Honestly though, it makes perfect sense if you are a capitalist in the west, and want to make sure there is NO chance of stability in the Middle East.

The man speaks the truth. The US plays a hypocritical game of chinese checkers, and cunningly fools the other players into think they are only playing regular checkers. Its amazing that we, the american people, put up with it. Just shows propaganda is well at work, at home.

computo · Post by **computo** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:40 pm

Also, Communism was designed by the capitalists to convince the working class that they should be proud of their subservient position in life.

Communism is as much of a diversion as the two party system of government. The Yang to Capitalism's Yin.

You should check out the movie American Dictators, available for free download on archive.org

addresses ALL of these subjects, in an amazingly well delivered manner, all in the streets of the RNC in NYC. GREAT FILM.

robbie111 · Post by **robbie111** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:33 am

Climate change can be stopped...The U.S military is working on it right now.
http://www.rense.com/general11/chmmill.htm