New apple products

pearsonart.com · Post by **pearsonart.com** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 6:28 am

What I love is how whenever there is a post about macs, pc users seem to come out of the woodwork to comment. It's particularly true if someone is debating a new mac system and asking advice on what kind etc.

It IS funny. I'm sure there are silly mac people who go around looking for opportunities to trash pc's and I'm just missing them.

Isn't this really just about the operating system? I mean honestly, who in their right mind would spend more money than they have to on anything? If OS X would run on the 300.00 box from Wal Mart, don't you think I'd be doing THAT?

Speaking for myself, the OS user experience, coupled with well designed if moderately fast hardware makes the cpu trade off for using macs a non issue. I've had excellent long term performance from my apple stuff - it's an investement I've never regretted.

Like it or not, pc companies haven't been able to build the same kind of brand loyalty. That's their own fault, not mine or Apple's or anyone elses. Rather than admit it and get down to business, they'd rather attack the mac. It's a simple enough diversion that works, sometimes.

Look at the name of this thread! Why do pc users even care?

amo · Post by **amo** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 6:33 am

pearsonart.com wrote: Look at the name of this thread! Why do pc users even care?

They love and want an ipod too !

Sorry, I had to make it.
Regards,
amo

subterFUSE · Post by **subterFUSE** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:46 am

Just wish the damn iPod would play gapless. Why can't they get their heads out their asses and add that essential feature?

Krugger · Post by **Krugger** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:32 pm

good point

I got a sony hd-nw3 because it plays gapless (as ATRAC format) but that's the only reason I got it!

I've fancied getting an iPod many times but the non-gapless-firmware lets me down all the time.

This is the 4th or 5th generation iPod and my money is on the fact that it will still not be gapless!
Mind you though: If I'm wrong, I'll be happy! (and buy one)

They've release the Chapter Tool for podcasts and being able to jump to specific parts of a (say) radio show. Some people are using this to burn a mixed CD as 1 single audio file then use the Chapter Tool to list tracks which they can jump to.
It's cool cause it allows you to make the iPod display track title etc and even a picture for each track if you fancy.

Trouble is:
1) You'll have to type your CD collection manually as Chapter Tool does not connect to CDDB.com (or others)
ps: you could use the CDDB SDK and write your own software that generate the Chapter Tool list of tracks.

2) Chapter Tool is only Mac, not Windows.

Anyway, for those of you who've got Macs/iPods and been wondering how to get gapless on your iPods (and can be troubled listing their tracks manually), I guess the above will help.

Kr.

inis · Post by **inis** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:25 pm

subterFUSE wrote:Just wish the damn iPod would play gapless. Why can't they get their heads out their asses and add that essential feature?

Man, i have been trying to get an honest answer to this forever. Most people actually dont care, but i probably wouldnt eithr if i was just playing my new britney spears album. But for every Dj out there (as well as some others) its a huge pain in the ass.

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:42 pm

I listen to mixes all the time and I don't notice it anymore - Dan's mixes are pretty clean and they cut the tracks right on the break so it's hardly noticed

but I can see how it's annoying - Like if you were listening to Oakenfold live @ Deushenstein on your way to La Trance Festivale 2006 high on E in your friends Volkswagon Bettle

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amo · Post by **amo** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:51 pm

amo wrote:
pearsonart.com wrote: Look at the name of this thread! Why do pc users even care?
They love and want an ipod too !
Sorry, I had to make it.
Regards,
amo

I was only joking..... I DON'T want one

amo

smutek · Post by **smutek** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:55 pm

pearsonart.com wrote:I've had excellent long term performance from my apple stuff - it's an investement I've never regretted.

That really sums it up nicely. I second that.

I use windows at work. 40-50 hours of reinforcement every week why I love my macs and why I will never switch to windows.

End of story, least for me it is.

amo · Post by **amo** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:01 pm

smutek wrote:
pearsonart.com wrote:I've had excellent long term performance from my apple stuff - it's an investement I've never regretted.
That really sums it up nicely. I second that.

I use windows at work. 40-50 hours of reinforcement every week why I love my macs and why I will never switch to windows.

End of story, least for me it is.

Funny !! I'm the exact opposite, and that's what makes this world beautifull, isn't it ?
Glad to find out there is some diversity around, that's making life alive !
Kind regards,
amo

smutek · Post by **smutek** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:06 pm

amo wrote:Funny !! I'm the exact opposite, and that's what makes this world beautifull, isn't it ?
Kind regards,
amo

Indeed it is. joie de vivre!

And kind regards to you as well amo!

forge · Post by **forge** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:13 pm

pearsonart.com wrote:What I love is how whenever there is a post about macs, pc users seem to come out of the woodwork to comment. It's particularly true if someone is debating a new mac system and asking advice on what kind etc.

It IS funny. I'm sure there are silly mac people who go around looking for opportunities to trash pc's and I'm just missing them.

I find this outlook funny really - like some deep seated need to dichotomise everything in existance - what makes people either a PC user or a mac user??

like it's some exclusive club. How silly. I'm a computer user, I use both, but my main machine is PC because that's how I can afford the power I want. Pretty simple really. If people feel the need to define this big need to keep them seperate it suggests to me that maybe they're unsure they've made the right decision, and that maybe a bit of marketing may have influenced opionions, but really your main workstation system shouldnt mean you are a PC or MAC user without exception.

smutek · Post by **smutek** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:51 pm

forge wrote:If people feel the need to define this big need to keep them seperate it suggests to me that maybe they're unsure they've made the right decision, and that maybe a bit of marketing may have influenced opionions

I use both, but I consider myself a mac user. I use a pc at work only because I have to. If it were up to me my machine at work would be a mac as well.

And I am 100% sure about my decision, whch is based on my personal experience.

Hmm... but maybe I didn;t read your post carefully enough.. I feel "no need to define the need to keep them seperate" as you said. I don't even care about keeping them seperate - let people use what works best for them. I know what works best for me.

pearsonart.com · Post by **pearsonart.com** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:44 am

forge wrote:
pearsonart.com wrote:What I love is how whenever there is a post about macs, pc users seem to come out of the woodwork to comment. It's particularly true if someone is debating a new mac system and asking advice on what kind etc.

It IS funny. I'm sure there are silly mac people who go around looking for opportunities to trash pc's and I'm just missing them.
I find this outlook funny really - like some deep seated need to dichotomise everything in existance - what makes people either a PC user or a mac user??

like it's some exclusive club. How silly. I'm a computer user, I use both, but my main machine is PC because that's how I can afford the power I want. Pretty simple really. If people feel the need to define this big need to keep them seperate it suggests to me that maybe they're unsure they've made the right decision, and that maybe a bit of marketing may have influenced opionions, but really your main workstation system shouldnt mean you are a PC or MAC user without exception.

I agree, it's funny to what lengths people go to "define" what their using. That was kind of my point!

As a little background, I've used pc's and macs side by side since 1990 at several broadcast television stations, post production houses and recording studios. I'm one of those people who, having a choice, choose macs at home. That's quite a relief after years of being told what I can and can't use by various IT departments. Running a small business at home, I've never had a need for technical support using macs and they keep on running.

Like you, I also see advantages and disadvantages with these platforms. Have you read the articles about several countries switching to open source software? I've been seeing these reports for a long time. It makes perfect sense.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/02/10 ... en_source/
I'll be glad when the audio production side of open source has a few more options for sequencers. (Tracktion WAS to have been ported to linux at some point but that was sidetracked when Mackie became involved.)

I thought of an entertaining analogy yesterday - the fork. Does a different fork make the food taste any better? Of course not but we all take preferences. Will more prongs help us eat faster? No (and why would I want to?) That's how I think of cpu performance. What we DO with the technology is far more important. I think this is what you're saying too. I'm just willing to make what you might consider compromises to use macs. I'd argue that those "compromises" are relatively insignificant compared to the benefits.

The marketing/PR thing is a long running gag. It also cuts both ways! Haven't most people stopped buying pcs of all flavors because they've realized that the extra "performance" doesn't really mean anything? CONTENT, comfort, style, reliability (and I would add flexibility over windows) have become the issues and Apple understands this.

Best,
James

pearsonart.com · Post by **pearsonart.com** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:52 am

By the way, I really love this little guy

...that's priceless!

Makes me wish I wore glasses.

James

forge · Post by **forge** » Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:37 am

pearsonart.com wrote:.....Haven't most people stopped buying pcs of all flavors because they've realized that the extra "performance" doesn't really mean anything? CONTENT, comfort, style, reliability (and I would add flexibility over windows) have become the issues and Apple understands this.

Best,
James

yeah, but for me it really does just come down to the fact I find it frustrating to have to stop or slow down to bounce down etc etc and lately I've been using alot of soft synths etc.

Personally I look forward to the day when you go into PC world or equiv. and they advertise different prices with different OSs - like it's just how much ram, HD size etc - part of the customisation process. At the moment it's a given any "PC" has windows, which is so much uglier and cumbersome than OSX.

If apple dont end up creating a PC version of OSX that can be installed on any hardware then I am seriously going to consider trying the OSx86 hack, their loss for not doing it!!

I really do hope this is the direction the macintels will take us in - there need be absolutely no reason for them to stop making their hardware with the same attention to quality, just ADD more to their team to concentrate on the retail PC version of OSX.

Remember PCs used to be called "IBM compatibles" which means they were very hardware specific, it's just gates took microsoft forward to the point it became the mega super monster it is which took away the focus on IBM. I think the choice option is much fairer and more sensible - so I would like to choose the cheapest most powerful PC but then stick OSX on it.

If I could afford a dual 2.5 G5 I'd be there in a shot but I cant even afford to pay the rent on time.