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funkbo wrote:well....i think i will continue using 5 till i am a subject matter expert. when i am finally being held back and unable to create good music, just about to die from having so little to work with, i might spend more. new doodads, yes i use that word, are groovy but really. i love using 5 now and learn new things every time i work with it so i'll just become a dinasour, and then......i will be really cool cuz everyone will be onto L15 and i will be "old school retro ("he does it all on L5 for that great vintage tone") music dude"

have fun out there

i like your style.

what if they re-invent beat repeat

when i need to repeat a beat i hit my keyboard 2 times instead of one

forgie wrote:I seriously doubt that v6 will be 'just dual core support'....

a wave editor perhaps?

edit: I quote my Ableton news email talking about dual-CPU sopport, "among other features yet to be disclosed"

Hmmm. Here's hoping for some tasty goodies when it arrives.

I wish I could find out whether they might add a wave editor or not in Live 6. If I know for sure they won't be adding the feature in 6 I will spring for Audiofile Engineering's Wave Editor.

I feel in limbo hearing speculation and wondering if there might be a wave editor added. I've gone this long without one and been OK without those extra capabilities, maybe I'll just wait until the Live 6 final release announcement and see what develops.

Anyone have any scoop on this?

Question, the announcement states:

"among other features yet to be disclosed—support for multicore/multiprocessor architectures, to the benefit of both Windows and Mac OS users.

Ok, cool, then it goes on to say:

This feature will bring users of Intel Core Duo-equipped Macs another large increase in audio performance, and Windows users will be able to fully exploit the speedup potential of the various available multicore/multiprocessor hardware solutions the market offers.

I don't see any mention of current mac users who have dual core or dual processor powermacs. I assume, since live 6 will be coded in universal, that powermac users will also benefit from multicore/multiprocessor support yes? Obviously they will not run as fast as a pc or a intel/mac, but I assume my dualcore G5 should still also fall under the parameters of "support for multicore/multiprocessor architectures". Am I wrong in assuming this? Or will current dual core/dual processor powermac owners be left in the cold in this one?

Yes !

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... ht=#220153

amo wrote:Yes !

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... ht=#220153

Hey, thanks for that amo.

If anyone wonders, here is what amo was referng me to:

Frank Hoffmann wrote:dual and quad g4/g5 can also take advantage of multicore/multiprocessor support.

frank

I'm still on Live 4. So far I've seen nothing that would get me to upgrade to 5. If 6 only offers dual core support, I can't imagine I would upgrade to 6 either.

BTW, I'm predicting that upgrade frequency from 5 to 6 will be dramatically lower than from 4 to 5. And that already was substantially lower than from 3 to 4.

Live 5 didn't really offer anything dramatically new. And so far 6 offers even less.

Live 4 was the really big step, with VST instruments and MIDI. Since then, there hasn't happened a lot really.

some the features in live 5 are very good the main one for me being the browser. however, with the cpu load [which forced me to buy a new computer in the end] and the crashes, its far from perfect.

my point is if ableton are going to put out a pay upgrades every year, in order to continue this over the years and make the upgrade a worthwhile investment. what features are going to be added? the package will become heavier, more cpu intensive and seriously bloated. therefore, moving away from the laptop orientated live performance tool which drew us to the software in the first place.

or are we going to see live split. live performance software package and daw software package. ableton need to ask themselves who they are and who they want to be in the marketplace. ultimately, who their customers are.

In house sampler and burn-in effects have my vote. Other than some more audio/midi FX, I don't know what else I personally would want.

will you start to set up your personal short cut / hot key for the data browser?

timothyallan wrote: I wonder if Live 6 will finally push Live into the bloatware territory....

I reckon Live 5 was already on the way to bloatware territory...

I'm still on Live4 and there is nothing about it thats stopping me being creative, Live 5 demo was annoying so I vow not to upgrade till the day that Live 4 becomes creatively limiting.

nuperspective wrote:ableton need to ask themselves who they are and who they want to be in the marketplace. ultimately, who their customers are.

Very true and I felt this emerging with the whole "middle of the beat" (beast?) issue, Ableton on one side thinking this would be most logical for the users, and on the other side users who thought the extreme opposite. It's almost an existencial question. What is Live and what is going to be?
Fact is, Live 5 is, more than ever, an instrument in itself and this board is becoming an instrument in the hands of who develop the main instrument. Live 6 and the followers will be, i think and hope, what the users want it to be, with the features requested by djs and the ones requested by producers, united maybe in a modular install. It will be a very contemporary app, so don't expect to fully employ live 6.x features in a machine that has more than a year today.
But the scalable installation, perhaps eve separate layers of the product activations like operator is now might be the way.
I personally trust Ableton and their vision, Live is as revolutionary in music making as Wordperfect was on text developing years ago. More often than not, melting great visions with great realizations is an enormous task within the task.

hi robert, how come you're posting under that nickname ?

i think thats the way to go you cant be all things to all men. if you could load up and strip away the apps you need / dont need [such as number of sends, vsts, effects, routing options, etc etc]. therefore, tayloring live to be a performance tool when you need it to be [lean, mean and stable] or taylor it for a production workstation when you need it to be [heavy, slower but lots of depth]. all this from one package would allow more flexability. but with that comes more variation and more bugs and problems.

nuperspective wrote:i think thats the way to go you cant be all things to all men. if you could load up and strip away the apps you need / dont need [such as number of sends, vsts, effects, routing options, etc etc].

you can already do that.