Oh Dear, Not Another PC vs Mac Thread

shaneblyth · Post by **shaneblyth** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 8:39 am

eyeknow wrote:I am in major delema...........I LOVE pc's, I like tweaking and poking and changing things...........but I'm about to turn 141 and I"m just too old for all those wires and stuff.

I'd like a 20" imac, Logicpro (oh, I still plan on using LIVE) and a motu.....and be done with it.....

Oh, and a new midi controller.............forgot about that.

but........there's this itsy bitsy little tiny problem............

4000 USD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guess what.. thats exactly the sort of thing i did..
they say stress is the #1 killer in this decade..
hoinestly the bit of extra cash i spent was well worth the lack of stress . stuff that just works. I'd rather play and create than much about... well actually I still ahve a pc and muck about .. FOR FUN... I'd rather create intuatively and without computers getting in the way and muck about and solve probles when i'm not..
So maybe you should take stock of what is the more important thing.. at the end of your life no one is going to say I wish I hsd taken the harder way for me and been more frustrated and stressed.. no one

InvizibleKid · Post by **InvizibleKid** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 8:44 am

I think that eyeknow is doing pretty well to still be in touch with modern technology at 140 years old.

eyeknow · Post by **eyeknow** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 8:58 am

heheheheheheheheheh

polyslax · Post by **polyslax** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:19 am

warpus wrote:Its probably not fair to generalize. People pirate software regardless of platform. However, I've often heard the lack of warez for Mac as an excuse not to get one.

Second that, I can't tell you how many times I've heard that argument.

FaX-01 · Post by **FaX-01** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:09 pm

polyslax wrote:
warpus wrote:Its probably not fair to generalize. People pirate software regardless of platform. However, I've often heard the lack of warez for Mac as an excuse not to get one.
Second that, I can't tell you how many times I've heard that argument.

Strange the arguement I've heard is lack of abundant freeware.
IMHO if you use PC YOU have no need or goddamn right to use warez.
There is an absolute shitload of great PC freeware/donation ware out there that kicks absolute butt.
The reality is though the warez mentality is out there.
Half these dickheads seem too think that you must have X/Y/Z brand or your music sucks.
Pretty fucking sad really.
The idea and skill deployed is always more important than the tool.
That said I would advise a PC over Mac if someones budget was limited purely based on the freeware/donation ware available.
On a PC a host like LIVE + Smex FX and some great freeware / donationware plugs will go along long way until you can afford more instruments etc.
Though a Mac with Live + Crystal , Automat , Musolomo , Gleetchplugs The Lab and some freeware AU's would easily be just a kick ass a starter set up.
I'm quite comfortable with XP and Microsoft OS's in general which is really my only reason for having a PC based system.
That said if a new cheaper iBook comesout I could be tempted just for the ability to use an app like Metasynth for extra sound design work in the future.

marky · Post by **marky** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:21 pm

InvizibleKid wrote:You could probably run Live on a windows emulator in Linux, but I've no idea what sort of performance hit you would have to take doing this. I haven't used Linux for years, and it was just a brief, geeky fetish for me when I did.

It would be really interesting if Apple decided to release an OS to compete directly with Windows. I've NFI whether or not this could be more likely to ever happen now that Apple have moved to Intel CPU's, but it'd be great to see Big Gatesy finally given some real competition though. The old 'yeah man, Linux will topple Winblow$ in a couple of years' thing never seemed to eventuate, unfortunately.

Linux sucks big donkey balls as well. It pains me to say it, and I love the concept.. but you still need to be a computer nerd to keep it ticking over.

(And before I get abused by Linux-lovers, I use Linux for 10 hours every day at work.)

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:59 pm

Marky - you tried Ubuntu? I'd trust my dad with that... and that's saying something!

marky · Post by **marky** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 6:07 pm

noisetonepause wrote:Marky - you tried Ubuntu? I'd trust my dad with that... and that's saying something!

Hey Paws, I haven't tried Ubuntu ... just took a look at the website. It looks good, pretty similar to KDE in fact. Do you use it?

I do think Linux is a great idea, and I am a huge proponent of the Free Software Foundation (but not so much the GPL license itself which can cause problems for developers) .. but Linux still has a long, long way to go to be as user-friendly and standardized as something like OS X or Solaris.

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 6:14 pm

Ubuntu is basically GNOME on X.org and a recent Linux kernel. It's got loads of stuff with the default install (OpenOffice, GAIM, Firefox, Thunderbird etc which would mean that most people are sorted for day to day apps) and installation is a click + wait thing on most hardware. Maintaining it isn't a problem either, they use Synaptic for package management which may be a little scary for people who don't even know what a package is, but it's as good as it's going to get, I think.

I don't use Linux anymore, I prefer BeOS now (five years late, so shoot me), but it's the best Linux distribution for desktop use. The way I see it, Linux as such is no threat to Windows and OSX, but a well maintained Linux distro certainly is. If manufacturers were allowed to bundle a second OS with their hardware, I can definitely see some regular/non=techy people liking Ubuntu better than Windows. It's that good.

Digi V · Post by **Digi V** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 6:53 pm

eyeknow- you could get a nice 20inch imac with 1gig ram and 100gb harddrive for 1800 flat. use the amazon cash back and you can drop it a hundred,or use the student discount (even if you have a kid thats in school) and it drops about 200 hundred.

if you purchase logic at the same time as tthe imac you can get logic pro for only 500 dollars.

motu- goes for what? 2-3 hundred?

the new ibooks will be out in april i think. i'll take a stab and say they'll offer it in white and black. 13 inch widescreen at price points around 1000-1500.

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:00 pm

$1800 for the iMac...

marky · Post by **marky** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 8:09 pm

noisetonepause wrote: If manufacturers were allowed to bundle a second OS with their hardware, I can definitely see some regular/non=techy people liking Ubuntu better than Windows. It's that good.

This is already happening .. Sun provide Red Hat Enterprise edition with their x86 workstations now.

I have to say, it's not an ideal setup, especially for a professional environment.

What you have is a company supplying hardware and an OS which it doesn't develop which leads to all sorts of incompatibilities and glitches. I've had memory leak issues, fan issues related to fucked-up driver updates, wierd glitches which come and go.... it's not been ideal to say the least, but it is becoming more stable.

Things work better when one company develops the hardware and software as they can cover all corners and pave the best road to stability. Sun did it with Solaris, Apple do it with OS X. Linux needs something similar but it's still a way away.

glu · Post by **glu** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 8:35 pm

I have been pricing the new Imac myself. I would love to have both OS platforms at my dispense. I reaaally hope live performs awesome on these once 6 is out. I think I will probably end up waiting though, i forsee bugs invading my romantic picnic with live 6 and apple. Hope not, guess time will tell. Damn they look sweet though.

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:14 pm

marky wrote:Things work better when one company develops the hardware and software as they can cover all corners and pave the best road to stability. Sun did it with Solaris, Apple do it with OS X. Linux needs something similar but it's still a way away.

I'd say that this isn't true and - shock horror - point to Windows as the example of why it's not. Also, if you'll once again forgive my stuck recordness, BeOS runs fine on my Compaq, no issues whatsoever.

There are people selling hardware (Macs, even) with Linux pre-installed and I'd be surprised if we don't see more of that: hardware tested on used with a particular Linux distro. Probably never locked to it, but coming with some sort of certification.

shaneblyth · Post by **shaneblyth** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:19 pm

noisetonepause wrote:
marky wrote:Things work better when one company develops the hardware and software as they can cover all corners and pave the best road to stability. Sun did it with Solaris, Apple do it with OS X. Linux needs something similar but it's still a way away.
I'd say that this isn't true and - shock horror - point to Windows as the example of why it's not. Also, if you'll once again forgive my stuck recordness, BeOS runs fine on my Compaq, no issues whatsoever.

There are people selling hardware (Macs, even) with Linux pre-installed and I'd be surprised if we don't see more of that: hardware tested on used with a particular Linux distro. Probably never locked to it, but coming with some sort of certification.

I don't understand your point when you say look at windows in answer to the comment when one company makes and software and hardware.
I thought MS is a software only company and have never made hardware as in a computer in their entire existance.. they make the odd mouse, joystick and keyboard.
Apple in contrast is the only company I can think of thats make all the hardware and the OS software.