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RopeyPunter wrote:

snowtires wrote:

RopeyPunter wrote:i think what snowtires means is that it does indeed take more PHYSICAL (dexterity) talent to play most traditional acoustic instruments. No quantization, no loops, you have to finger every single note and chord on time. OF COURSE IT TAKES MORE TALENT. and I agree with him. ... this idea is not exclusively the only way to be a talented musician, as we ALL know. ...you can program your synth sequencer sampler etc etc and compose amazing music, which is obviously talent too. lets not turn this into a computer-musician-feeling-insecure-about-his-or-her-own-talent-so-he-engages-in-some-trivial-semantical-debate-on-the-merits-of-musical-talent-when-someone-suggests-it-takes-more-talent-to-play-a-piano
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Maybe it was the equating of "physicall dexterity" with "talent" that made me cringe. Anyway, I surrender and will now return to my regularly scheduled life. Peace Ropey, enjoy the popcorn

hmm,i kept expecting something exciting to happen,but to my dismay irealized computer music is getting boring.

Everybody make a dumb blanket statement!

Everyone in the red states voted for Bu$h.

All techno is the same.

Forums are nothing more than a pissing contest.

i'm going to have to jump in here and say


techno hasn't really been good since the 90's
playing a musical instrument is more of a "musician" type of talent
knowing how to program, chop, slice, cut, etc goes along the lines of being "production" talented.


a good producer making mills out there today are both good all around musicians and good at programming (production) side of things.


which takes more talent? thats hard to say. anyone can play punk songs on a guitar,anyone can try to program using their home computer


but not everyone can play like hendrix or program like flood or adrian sherwood

That's what Hitler would want you to think.

Soooo, are orchestral conductors musicians or just Theremin player wannabees? Music is so multi-faceted in its formulation and performance and (mis)understanding by the listener. Are we forgetting that LIVE was written as an instrument? I can't even begin to explain how disappointing this thread is on a forum of informed musicians.

i like the pretty light up controller box that someone mentioned on page 1......

ultrasource wrote:i like the pretty light up controller box that someone mentioned on page 1......

Me to! But I'm afraid that the buttons might be a tad small for my fat fingers. There is no way for me to play half-steps on a violin. They are, however, perfect for the Tuba.

$500!?! Sorry to rain on anyone's parade, but that is ridiculous. the buttons are no bigger than qwerty keys. the lights may look cool, but they aren't going to to ANYTHING for you musically. Here's a much more useful $30 alternative--use key mappings in live, and get an external usb keyboard and set it to ALLCAPS. that makes 26 letters plus 10 digits on your main keyboard, plus another 26 CAPS letters on the second keyboard, 62 total. plus they are labeled with letters so at least you can distinguish one from the others. I don't get it.

amen.put the dollars you save towards a lemur

DeadlyKungFu wrote:

snowtires wrote:

computo wrote: jeez, the servile self indulgent bullshit just streams out of you doesnt it?

I think what you are complaining about is your hardassed opinions on what music SHOULD be, and apparently, that means it should appear in nothing but its original form.

A half step? who the fuck are you? the arbiter of all that is tasteless and bad in music production?

You're really making educated musicians look like utter morons, by trying to claim that detuning vocals in a remix is offensive.

"to an actual musician"

Let me know when one enters the room....

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you're the guy responsible for those remixes, aren't you?

I have no idea guys are bickering about, I just wanted to make a HUGE quote.

oh for sure!

I have no idea what this thread is about, but I'm about to take the top ten again!

sweetjesus wrote:i would so get this is they give u the software to do the things they do with it...

Apparently it will ship with a number of max/msp patches, including the ones they demo it with.

I really dislike the price-point of this unit, but to be honest there is immense value in such a gadget, when used with something like Max - I really dig the visual feedback from it, and I can imagine all sorts of cool applications for it.

Their homepage says that the controlling/routing/mapping software will be Open Source. Well, maybe. The drivers will be Open Source, and:

"mapd (the midi/router application) will also be available as source. soon."

(Doesn't explicitly say that mapd will be Open Source, but it is sort of implied)

"mapd is the routing application. it translates button presses to midi/osc, and receives midi/osc (from other applications or computers) to change lights on the hardware. single or groups of buttons can be configured for different functionality, such as a toggle, hold and release, ramp, radio group, or virtual slider.

for example, we could use a radio group of 4 buttons for chords. each button has midi notes assigned to it. when pressed, these notes are sent out to the specified device. when another button in the group is pressed, a different set of notes are sent, while at the same time the previous button's notes are turned off. the lights follow the currently selected button in the group, providing an instant visual cue.

here we use notes only as an example. the control associated with a button can range widely. midi cc and osc provide incredible flexibility.

mapd also provides an in-depth preset scheme. buttons can be assigned to change the current mapping configuration by stepping through a pattern or momentarily switching while a button is being held.

message filtering and learn functions are provided for quick and intuitive use. an open-mode exists to allow very low level control structures. with mapd you can create very sophisticated interaction patches without writing your own code. if you do write your own code, we provide detailed specs on our protocol for transparent integration."