Updates from Afghanistan

[BinaryB]

JK!!! Lets hear yer sheep jokes...

Don't worry mate, I'm from Yorkshire in the UK originally, us and the Welsh know all about the sheep jokes too...

The one about Velcro Gloves ?

[Tone Deft]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgfzqulvhlQ

The only thing that makes me an "angry American" about this video, is that the majority of the timeline of these quotes are all outta wack, and many soundbites are taken out of context.

Once again, the liberal media putting their own spin on things to pursue their agenda.

stupid truth.

[cosmosuave]

Contrary to popular urban folklore, Canadians aren't Americans

No it's quite simple. Canadians are decaf Yanks.

**ducks**

JK!!! :wink: Lets hear yer sheep jokes...

Oh yeah... Well at least we are not running around wearing gum boots all the time....

[STRATEGY_510]

Unfortunately my production for the next 10 months will be all on headphones (I don't want to bother my tent-mates).

Maybe you should consider not bothering all those poor people and getting the fuck out of their country (while you're at it).

STRATEGY

[BinaryB]

Unfortunately my production for the next 10 months will be all on headphones (I don't want to bother my tent-mates).

Maybe you should consider not bothering all those poor people and getting the fuck out of their country (while you're at it).

STRATEGY

[pilcrow]

Unfortunately my production for the next 10 months will be all on headphones (I don't want to bother my tent-mates).

Maybe you should consider not bothering all those poor people and getting the fuck out of their country (while you're at it).

STRATEGY

Yeah, leave those poor Taliban alone, Bregs!

[john gordon]

who cares...glad to see you have joined the hitler brigade.it definately suits you well.

[pilcrow]

who cares...glad to see you have joined the hitler brigade.it definately suits you well.

Yeah, Breqs.. leave them Talibans alone, I tell ya!

[chrysalis33rpm]

you know, hitler must be the most invoked name on the internet...

[Tone Deft]

cross posted from here
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 174#518174

if you're gonna post this garbage @ the ableton forum, do you mind keeping it in one thread ? the I hate Mbreqs/afghaniblog thread or something. the thread title implies there'll be more of these bullshit updates to come....so in the interest of keeping shite to a minimum please consider keeping it contained in one thread.

thanks.

I completely overlooked that, goddamn, which word comes to mind?

anyway, didn't want to bump that other thread, keep the OT down.

who cares...glad to see you have joined the hitler brigade.it definately suits you well.

john - can you please state the thinking behind your statement? do you know the history of afghanistan over the last 50 years?

[chrysalis33rpm]

do you know the history of afghanistan over the last 50 years?

I don't. Fill me in, in broad strokes.

[Tone Deft]

do you know the history of afghanistan over the last 50 years?

I don't. Fill me in, in broad strokes.

basically super powers (US, Britain and the former Soviet Union) used Afghanistan as a war ground, decimating its people and country. The US is the country in the best position to clean up that mess, we owe that much to those people. I agreed with the decision to go into Afghanistan and still do, albeit it's hard to listen to Bush's reasons, if/when he talks about it at all, he's all Iraq. The Taliban did and still do have bases there, they are a terrorist organisation which is a worldwide problem.

checking wikipedia because it pays to fact check...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan
Britain-

During the nineteenth century, following the Anglo-Afghan wars (fought 1839–42, 1878–80, and lastly in 1919) and the ascension of the Barakzai dynasty, Afghanistan saw much of its territory and autonomy ceded to the United Kingdom. The UK exercised a great deal of influence, and it was not until King Amanullah Khan acceded to the throne in 1919 that Afghanistan re-gained complete independence over its foreign affairs (see "The Great Game"). During the period of British intervention in Afghanistan, ethnic Pashtun territories were divided by the Durand Line. This would lead to strained relations between Afghanistan and British India – and later the new state of Pakistan – over what came to be known as the Pashtunistan debate.

The US and USSR -

As part of a Cold War strategy, in 1979 the United States government (under President Jimmy Carter and National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski) began covertly to fund and train anti-government Mujahideen forces through the Pakistani secret service known as Inter Services Intelligence (ISI). In order to bolster the local Communist forces, the Soviet Union—citing the 1978 Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Good Neighborliness that had been signed between the two countries—intervened on December 24, 1979. Over 100,000 Soviet troops took part in the invasion, who were backed by another 100,000 and plus pro-communist forces of Afghanistan. The Soviet occupation resulted in the killings of at least 600,000 to 2 million Afghan civilians. Over 5 million Afghans fled their country to Pakistan, Iran and other parts of the world. Faced with mounting international pressure and great number of casualties on both sides, the Soviets withdrew in 1989 .
The Soviet withdrawal from the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan was seen as an ideological victory in the US, which had backed the Mujahideen through three US presidential administrations in order to counter Soviet influence in the vicinity of the oil-rich Persian Gulf.

Following the removal of the Soviet forces, the US and its allies lost interest in Afghanistan and did little to help rebuild the war-ravaged country or influence events there. The USSR continued to support President Najibullah (former head of the Afghan secret service, KHAD) until 1992 when new Russian government refused to sell oil products to Najibullah regime.

The result of the fighting was that the vast majority of the elites and intellectuals had escaped to take refuge abroad, a dangerous leadership vacuum thereby coming into existence. Fighting continued among the victorious Mujahideen factions, eventually giving rise to a state of warlordism. The most serious fighting during this period occurred in 1994, when over 10,000 people were killed in Kabul alone. The chaos and corruption that dominated post-Soviet Afghanistan in turn spawned the rise of the Taliban. The Taliban developed as a politico-religious force, and eventually seized Kabul in 1996. By the end of 2000, the Taliban were able to capture 95% of the country, aside from the opposition (Afghan Northern Alliance) strongholds primarily found in the northeast corner of Badakhshan Province. The Taliban sought to impose a very strict interpretation of Islamic law.

During the Taliban's seven-year rule, much of the population experienced restrictions on their freedom and violations of their human rights. Women were banned from jobs, girls forbidden to attend schools or universities. Those who resisted were punished instantly. Communists were systematically eradicated and thieves were punished by amputating one of their hands or feet. Meanwhile, the Taliban managed to nearly eradicate the majority of the opium production by 2001.

more info on the Soviet's involvement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan


it's a messed up country that needs relief. somehow john gordon puts that along with Bush's plans on world domination because Iraq overshadows Afghanistan in pop culture. there's not much to gain in Afghanistan, a place for US bases, stop opium production, erradicate a terrorist group (not all of them). there's not even much if any oil there.



YO breqs!! - there's typos in the thread title.

[djadonis206]

, they are a terrorist organisation which is a worldwide problem.

YO breqs!! - there's typos in the thread title.

I didn't want to say anything but I'm glad you pointed that out

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[Meef Chaloin]

www.ballofdirt.com

[pepezabala]

there's not much to gain in Afghanistan, a place for US bases, stop opium production, erradicate a terrorist group (not all of them). there's not even much if any oil there.

I found it quite irritating that that the invasion started just after the moment when the opium production was practically erased by the taliban.

Who is making profit in this conflict? Drug dealers and weapon dealers.

Who has always been the link between drug dealers and weapon dealers? The CIA.

Who is backing up the Bush-administration? Weapon dealers.

Who was the worst enemy of the drug-dealers? The taliban.

Now draw your own conclusions about this war.