Why not Linux?

robin · Post by **robin** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:49 pm

gomi wrote:all the linux people i know insist on living in the past, when things were hard
and complicated.

Most people who are into linux in our university decided it was better to have a computer that actually did what you wanted to do rather than it be it's own project. They got OSX laptops. Myself included.

Emissary · Post by **Emissary** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:51 pm

raapie wrote:For the Echo card, check:
http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-229778.html

yeah i found this "helpfull" post also
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I have followed the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EchoMia
I have also found information on the Echo cards here http://www.webalice.it/g_pochini/ead/
I have also thoroughly read these related posts:
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14258 7&highlight=echo+layla+24+ubuntu
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19959 9
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20544 9

So what I have done so far is follow the instructions in the first link above (the EchoMia post), making sure that I used the name of my card, 'indigoio' instead of 'mia' and using 2.6.15-26-386 instead of 2.6.15-26-686 to correctly reference my own system.

The only hang up I encountered during the procedure outlined in the EchoMia post was that when I tried to configure alsa-utils I got this message at the end of the configure process:

checking for ALSA LDFLAGS... -lasound -lm -ldl -lpthread
checking for libasound headers version >= 1.0.12... not present.
configure: error: Sufficiently new version of libasound not found.

I was then unable to make or make install the alsa-utils, however from all my reading it seems that alsa-utils is extra anyway and not at all neccessary to get a sound card working. Still, any help with this small issue would be appreciated.

So it seemed that everything was going to be fine but I rebooted and my Echo Indigo IO still did not work.

I tried sudo modprobe snd_indigoio which seemed to do nothing.

I tried aplay -l and there is no sign of my Indigo IO, just the Intel on board sound which works fine.

alsamixer only comes up for the default Intel soundcard.

echomixer gives this sad message:
No Echoaudio cards found, sorry.

I then tried lspci -v and got the following related info:
0000:03:00.0 Multimedia controller: Motorola DSP56361 Digital Signal Processor (rev 01)
Subsystem: Echo Digital Audio Corporation Indigo IO
Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 11
Memory at f6000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable)

next I tried hwinfo which seems to say that the driver is active and confirms that I modprobed the correct device:
28: PCI 300.0: 0480 Multimedia controller
[Created at pci.277]
UDI: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_1057_3410
Unique ID: svHJ.WBwF3XNH0e5
Parent ID: GA8e.qfTO22bUWE9
SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:02:01.0/0000 :03:00.0
SysFS BusID: 0000:03:00.0
Hardware Class: unknown
Model: "Echo Digital Audio Indigo IO"
Hotplug: CardBus
Socket: 0
Vendor: pci 0x1057 "Motorola"
Device: pci 0x3410 "DSP56361 Digital Signal Processor"
SubVendor: pci 0xecc0 "Echo Digital Audio Corporation"
SubDevice: pci 0x00a0 "Indigo IO"
Revision: 0x01
Memory Range: 0xf6000000-0xf60fffff (rw,non-prefetchable)
IRQ: 11 (176382 events)
Module Alias: "pci:v00001057d00003410sv0000ECC0sd000000A0bc04sc80 i00"
Driver Info #0:
Driver Status: snd_indigoio is active
Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe snd_indigoio"
Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown
Attached to: #25 (CardBus bridge)

then I looked in dmesg and found this:
[17179592.856000] ALSA /home/jjob/alsa-driver-1.0.12rc2/pci/echoaudio/../../alsa-kernel/pci/echoaudio/echoaudio.c:46: get_firmware(): Firmware not available (-2)
[17179592.856000] ALSA /home/jjob/alsa-driver-1.0.12rc2/pci/echoaudio/../../alsa-kernel/pci/echoaudio/echoaudio_dsp.c:249: Firmware not found !
[17179592.856000] ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:03:00.0 disabled
[17179592.856000] Echoaudio Indigo IO: probe of 0000:03:00.0 failed with error -2

There seems to be a problem with the firmware not being found even though I followed the instructions in the EchoMia post linked to above and did do this during the installation process:
sudo cp /lib/firmware/ea/* /lib/firmware/2.6.15-26-386/

I also checked those files referenced above and they do contain the indigo_dsp.fw and indigo_io_dsp.fw files.

Finally, from the g_pochini link (also listed above) I read this:

Make sure that /lib/firmware is a symbolic link to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware or vice-versa:

$ ls -la /lib/firmware
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 Aug 15 2005 /lib/firmware -> /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/

If it isn't, do it, otherwise the firmware loader will not be able to find the files.
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Unfortunately my degree was in music technology and not combined geekology, i am unable to follow WHAT THE FUCK this guy is talking about. hence my previous post on linux being GUFF for pro audio, thanks though.

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:42 pm

inmazevo wrote:Chiming in late here, but as to the basis of OS X being open source:
I think they mean, it's based on open source projects, which it certainly is to some degree: it uses open source projects, hacked to Apple's liking.

The kernel and most basic userland tools, init system etc. of OS X are available from Apple in source form under a license that permits you to change it. Most of the code is from FreeBSD, except of course the kernel, which is a hybrid between a standard BSD kernel and Mach.

Emmisary - All this is really Echo's fault, not Linux's, and I think you should write them a letter to tell them how it doesn't help, but hurt, their business to not work with the Linux community. I that won't make you sound card work right away, though.

leedsquietman wrote:OSX on first release involved a lot of work with the open source linux communities but the love in between OSX and Linux ended some time ago, Apple have been adding more and more proprietary items and Apple have gone from being darlings to demons in the Linux world. Not my words, several commentaries from various computer magazines and internet articles.

Not Linux directly I don't think, there are too many licensing issues. They did borrow heavily from FreeBSD to modernise NeXTSTEP and to replace parts of it that might have been licensed from third parties and thus would have cost Apple money off each OS X sale.

Also, Safari is of course based on the very fine work done by the KDE project, and Webkit is hands down the best rendering engine not made in Norway these days. I think Apple are well respected for that, as well as their contributions to GCC.

leedsquietman wrote:Nothing good on Windows ?? Good God man !! If that was the case people would have no need for Bootcamp. BUt still, there are many excellent programs on the PC Platform which are non mac

The problem isn't the applications, it's Windows itself. It was put together by people with no apparent sense of esthetics, by far too many of them (too many chefs), based on an interface design and basic UI model thought up by people who apparently can neither read, write, see, touch, taste nor think. The applications might be good, but Windows itself, its window, resource and file management, is so utterly, fundamentally botched that this is academic. I can't understand how people can use or programme for Windows, but I am sure guns are involved... or maybe it's just that you don't notice if you've never tried anything better.

robin · Post by **robin** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:47 pm

noisetonepause wrote:The problem isn't the applications, it's Windows itself. It was put together by people with no apparent sense of esthetics, by far too many of them (too many chefs), based on an interface design and basic UI model thought up by people who apparently can neither read, write, see, touch, taste nor think.

It pains me to put this out but replace Windows with Linux in the above and you've hit the nail on the head. UI design requires very tightly defined consistency.

Even Apple struggle with that sometimes but they're the best of a bad bunch IMO.

We need a unifying force to whip Linux into shape. Google?

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:12 am

robin wrote:
We need a unifying force to whip Linux into shape. Google?

What Linux needs is a user base that's demanding enough to make hardware manufactures see $$ and realease proper drivers for it. A lot of the criticism of Linux in this thread is really valid where pro audio is concerned but if one major DAW was to port to it I think things would change a lot.

Sure the plugin situation is thin on the ground but that's, again, developers not seeing a demand so not bothering to supply. It's definately possible, just look at how many plugs run fawlessly on Receptor http://www.museresearch.com/receptor.php which runs on a Linux derived OS.

<dream>Live running on a pupose built (by ableton) linux derived operating system on a dedicated dual boot laptop or purpose built machine like monodeck, all resources being used solely to run the audio and Live's gui</dream>

I know, I know, I'm dreaming. But based upon MY experiences with Linux, (and it's not been without it's challenges) it's a really nice dream.

leedsquietman · Post by **leedsquietman** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:36 am

I agree about the mechanics of windows and the too many cooks.

Still, for most people it is the applications which really matters most. I am not an IT guy, so maybe don't notice the design flaws so long as my office suite, music, e-mail, internet and gaming works.

Although I accept (running Macs every day at work) that their combination of hardware and software is tighter and better implemented.

I have enjoyed using Linux for surfing the web and e-mail too. It would be nice to extend it's usage with some quality industry standard software in the realm of pro audio.

No disrespect to Ardour (which is mainly being developed by a couple of university students on a donation basis in between studies, with not much being donated from what I understand), it is accessible and has a nice GUI but it is still really a shareware product and for 50 bucks you can buy Reaper which kills it for functionality.

dirtybomb · Post by **dirtybomb** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:04 am

ableton are a great company + i think they should seriously consider porting live to linux... the demand for linux is growing faster than it ever has... my dad even uses linux now as his desktop. he is not computer savvy, he pretty much just runs openoffice, photospot, firefox & banshee.

personally, i run debian...

until live is ever ported to linux, energy xt2 is quite good: http://www.energy-xt.com/xt2.php

and also milkytracker: http://www.milkytracker.net/

and mixx for djs: http://mixxx.sourceforge.net/

longjohns · Post by **longjohns** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:51 pm

currently mad at ubuntustudio for not providing a 2-CD set of .iso images

sitting here with no DVD burner

friend_kami · Post by **friend_kami** » Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:04 pm

longjohns wrote:currently mad at ubuntustudio for not providing a 2-CD set of .iso images

sitting here with no DVD burner

had that problem aswell.
as for OP: links not working. -.-

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