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stealth1 wrote:thats fuckin' dark; true or not. I'm deeply upset by that

at me or peeddrroo?

Do what I do. Put it in perspective so you can forget about the frickin puppy.

The idiot and the puppy have little to do with what makes it dark.

b0unce wrote:what kind of question is that to ask me man ?

Sorry, ambiguous grammar on my part; it was supposed to be rhetorical.

I support the troops cause they sign up to do what ever we tell them to.

I wish we only used the military for actual defense, as in our shores.

Unfortunately, what we tell them to do tends to be despicable and evil :-/

Just think of all the puppies and children killed by white phosphorous or daisy cutters or moabs, or cruise missiles, or whatever else we throw at the brown people who have our money but have none of their own.

Beyond the stupidity of normal war, there is no excuse for war crimes, whether directed toward humans or animals.

The question becomes, what is a war crime?

Why is murder carried out by an individual shunned and that same murder back by the government, heroic?

War is the most immoral orgy of all.

b0unce wrote:

Tone Deft wrote:I've had this conversation with lots of people on both sides of the idea, you're the only one who didn't get it, that's cool, I accept that.

Just curious, the people you've talked to about this idea....how many weren't citizens of an imperialist nation ? or were members of an indigenous community that suffered from genocide and/or occupation ?

I'm guessing I might be the only one, probably just a coincidence, right ?

Oh for Christ's sake, get over yourself. "Citizens of an imperialist nation" ... "members of an indigenous community that suffered from genocide and/or occupation." How can anyone over 20 read that kind of cant and not retch?

You are a non-entity, just like me, Tone Deft or anyone else within a hundred miles of you. You sit there from the safety of your room and blither out opinions based on the nothing that is your life. Not even well-thought out or interesting opinions but the same rubber-stamp slogans that go back to 60s Berkeley and beyond. And you're probably one of those people who laughs at NASCAR fans, Christians and Republican voters as mindless drones.

I know this attack on you won't make you stop posting drivel on this forum, but it will make me feel better for 2 minutes after having posted it.

(I really have to get over the masochistic aberrancy that makes me read OT threads like this one.)

Have a nice day everyone.

rasputin wrote: "Citizens of an imperialist nation" ... "members of an indigenous community that suffered from genocide and/or occupation." How can anyone over 20 read that kind of cant and not retch?

US citizens are "Citizens of an imperialist nation"

Doesn't mean we glean any privilege from that, there were many poor and beggars in the roman and brit empires, for instance.

It's time to start paying attention to our own failed history, and that's why you are hearing 'antiquated' terms.

Just because you don't hear the main stream media using these terms to describe ourselves does not mean that they are wacky or that anyone who uses them is sitting around in dreads in a patchoulli stink...

rasputin wrote: Oh for Christ's sake, get over yourself. "Citizens of an imperialist nation" ... "members of an indigenous community that suffered from genocide and/or occupation." How can anyone over 20 read that kind of cant and not retch?

heh. spoken like a truely spoiled brat.

You'll find your apathetic values do not prevail in the places I described.
Go visit Catalan, check out the graffiti ...custom sprayed for you and yours.
go to the basque
go to the palestine
go to west & south of ireland
go to south america
go to australia
and in your own back yard, go talk with the american indian movement.
(etc) [oh, and I do mean talk to the indigenous folk, not the conquistadors. If you think they've forgotten about how badly they've been shafted...well, there's no hope for you]

or, just keep doing what you're doing, totally immersing yourself in the apathetic values of your peers and your surroundings, and convince yourself you've got the balanced objective world view, you hateful little turd.

what is worse..................

throwing a dog off a cliff, or boiling a lobster alive?

stjohn wrote:what is worse..................

throwing a dog off a cliff, or boiling a lobster alive?

you think he ATE the dog afterwhile????

peeddrroo wrote:

stjohn wrote:what is worse..................

throwing a dog off a cliff, or boiling a lobster alive?

you think he ATE the dog afterwhile????

those who say the french arent funny are WRONG

b0unce wrote:

rasputin wrote: Oh for Christ's sake, get over yourself. "Citizens of an imperialist nation" ... "members of an indigenous community that suffered from genocide and/or occupation." How can anyone over 20 read that kind of cant and not retch?

heh. spoken like a truely spoiled brat.

You'll find your apathetic values do not prevail in the places I described.
Go visit Catalan, check out the graffiti ...custom sprayed for you and yours.
go to the basque
go to the palestine
go to west & south of ireland
go to south america
go to australia
and in your own back yard, go talk with the american indian movement.
(etc) [oh, and I do mean talk to the indigenous folk, not the conquistadors. If you think they've forgotten about how badly they've been shafted...well, there's no hope for you]

or, just keep doing what you're doing, totally immersing yourself in the apathetic values of your peers and your surroundings, and convince yourself you've got the balanced objective world view, you hateful little turd.

Just posting this again. Well stated.

poor puppy. sad what war does to soldiers...but it does a lot worse. and a lot worse happens in the world than a dead dog and I bet less people bother to write on other's myspace pages.

catalunya (catalan is the language) and the basque country really aren't shafted (anymore), they get the same rights every other federal state of spain has+ some privileges. being against the central government in those cases (and many others) is just an immature reflex, like in puberty, rebel against authority, no matter what, root for the underdog etc. makes people feel special. minorities often feel like that, very undemocratic, if you think about it.

that's a whole different thing from going out there and bombing other countries.

apart from that, empires aren't all bad. they're not all good either. but too much is easily blamed on them, it's a popular movement in recent history. take africa for example. if you ask certain people, (mostly french and english) imperialism are the root of every single problem on that continent. nevermind the tribal structures, the clan mentality that is still prevalent nowadays and has people going at each other with machetes. The empires are long gone. Sure, many effects are still a consequence for what happened back then. but it's also time to assume responsability for one's own actions.

The roman empire was bloody, too. But many good things came from it.

[yes, I like posting in threads where I've only read a couple of posts. it's fun.]

davec1 wrote:poor puppy. sad what war does to soldiers...but it does a lot worse. and a lot worse happens in the world than a dead dog and I bet less people bother to write on other's myspace pages.

catalunya (catalan is the language) and the basque country really aren't shafted (anymore), they get the same rights every other federal state of spain has+ some privileges. being against the central government in those cases (and many others) is just an immature reflex, like in puberty, rebel against authority, no matter what, root for the underdog etc. makes people feel special. minorities often feel like that, very undemocratic, if you think about it.

that's a whole different thing from going out there and bombing other countries.

apart from that, empires aren't all bad. they're not all good either. but too much is easily blamed on them, it's a popular movement in recent history. take africa for example. if you ask certain people, (mostly french and english) imperialism are the root of every single problem on that continent. nevermind the tribal structures, the clan mentality that is still prevalent nowadays and has people going at each other with machetes. The empires are long gone. Sure, many effects are still a consequence for what happened back then. but it's also time to assume responsability for one's own actions.

The roman empire was bloody, too. But many good things came from it.

[yes, I like posting in threads where I've only read a couple of posts. it's fun.]

Wow? So what you're saying is if you are a conquered people, you should suck it up, and if you don't you're an immature brat? Considering Spain was a fascism, what does that say about you?

Also you seem to be saying that if first world nations invade another country and cause untold amounts of bloodshed, it shouldn't be counted at all as a possible reason for the mess said country is in now, considering said country was made up of tribal people, so it's their fault anyway.

Trying not to be rude here, but I have to say your ideas are not that far off from that of pure fascism, congratulations.

davec1 wrote:sad what war does to soldiers...

i'd rather say "sad what the presence of a camera does to people"
i'm sure he could have done it in peace times getting all excited with his friends filming him.
he's a retard. but then maybe that explains why war is involved in the story.

i was just going to post something brilliant when i saw the French people are invading the thread

i forgot it now.

i'd rather say "sad what the presence of a camera does to people"
i'm sure he could have done it in peace times getting all excited with his friends filming him.

I remember some stuff called happy slapping where people would record a little video on their cellphone where one of their mates hit some random person hard and run away, and then send it to their friends or upload it somewhere on the internet.


disclaimer: i did not state whether or not i think it was funny or okay he threw the puppy. It was a supplement to another comment. I have not stated anything! not even if war is good or bad! I don't state by saying camera's change people that wars don't because they do, but not to do these kind of things i suppose

@machinesworking lol, yeah, go wield the fascim club, you can auto-win any discussion with that....


no, that is not what I was saying. read again. and while you're at it, how about you read a bit about the history of spain. the basque country and catalunya were part of spain long before fascism.

turned out the fascist side won a civil war (not so surprising, it was an army general, after all). Now if you (not you personally, but people in general) look a little closer rather than just reading hemingway's drunk self-glorification, you'll find that, as in most civil wars, everybody commits atrocities (i.e. in spain the anarchists, the fascist, the communists...). That's what war does, turn everyone into monsters.

so after the fascists won, the basque and the catalan were oppressed in several ways. But hello, that was a long time ago. they were right to fight for their rights then. now some hotheads still live in the past, but they have no more to complain about in the present than everyone else. In the case of ETA all they do is hurt more innocents without doing anyone any good.

Also you seem to be saying that if first world nations invade another country and cause untold amounts of bloodshed, it shouldn't be counted at all as a possible reason for the mess said country is in now, considering said country was made up of tribal people, so it's their fault anyway.

considering this is so far off from what I wrote in not so difficult words, I'm not sure if I should even bother. No offense, but it seems to me you need to chill out a bit. I'm not your enemy and not saying anyone should invade anyone else.

what I'm saying is that not everything bad that happens in today's world can be blamed on what happened 1,2,3 centuries ago. That's cheap and irresponsible.

Wow? So what you're saying is if you are a conquered people, you should suck it up, and if you don't you're an immature brat? Considering Spain was a fascism, what does that say about you?

pray, do tell, I'm curious where this kind of logic (based on wrong assumptions) leads...