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Yeah, damnit, I'm from Texas, and I agree with this case ruling.

Tone Deft and :LM: are just fucking shut-ins that post on forums and watch made-for-tv movies all damn day. No sense of reality, or of what a cold, hard world we live in.

I wouldn't think twice or feel even remotely guilty if some douche-bag intended to do me, my child, my wife or my neighbor harm, to skull-fuck them with every bullet I own.

yeah, ok.

so shooting unarmed robbers in the back is a good idea.


bro, if these guys were doing violence to a person or persons or even had the intent and means to do so i would agree with you. I don't think that somebody breaking into a house to steal shit deserves to be shot to death. sorry.


.lm.

Now, where the fuck was I? Oh yeah.....

Tone Deft wrote:...if you don't understand what I'm saying I'll use smaller words.

You're command of the English language is exemplary, and nary a word has gone over my head. Though coming from the Grand Master of Sesquipedalian Tendencies, that's saying something. No, it's your astonishing ability to go from pretty cool guy to raging a-hole that has me scratching my big fat head. No worries, though. Always knew you had it in ya, Skippy.

hyperbole. introducing rape into the debate? that's only a sign you're out of a viable defense.

Using the rape card is nearly as fun as using the race and illegal immigrant card. And the only thing I'm out of is Motion Lotion. I'm just getting warmed up, mofo.

again, gun control means more than using two hands. it's called responsible gun ownership. registering it, locking it up, storing it unloaded, knowing how to aim and use it.

Clearly he knew how to both aim and use it, but I get the point you're desperately not making. Spouting off about responsible gun ownership. That's fucking rich. You just don't know which end of the logic stick to shove up your own ass first, do you?

I'd bet that those two could've dropped the loot, put their hands up and given up and still been shot dead.

Now you're just sweet talkin' me.

that's so American of you ....

omfg. If there's ever been a more blatant case of Baiting, I'd like someone to point it out to me. I mean, i'd rather believe that than believe you are truly that much of a fucknut, but stranger things have happened I suppose.

that's part of the core of what's so fucked up about this country.

Yeah. That and people breaking into other people's homes and stealing shit. Oh, I forgot. Poor illegals just trying to feed their families by breaking into people's homes. Gotcha. Sorry.

a couple of illegals in Texas might have to do whatever the hell they have to do, even if it's risking jail time, life's a bitch.

Interesting. Most illegals work their asses off for next to nothing in the hope that they'll get a path to citizenship; while never committing any kind of crime (other than being illegal, I suppose). They wouldn't dream of it; blowing their opportunity. They'd rather work hard than, I dunno, steal someone's shit?

Problem is, that's not these two guys, asswipe.

Oops! Facts getting in the way again! Dammit!

A word of advice. Stop hitting the reply button so fast and do a bit of homework. 'Couple of illegals'. lol. Try criminals with records. Oh, I forgot. In America we reward our thieves, murderers, and rapists. *Insert standard Bush comparison here*

you seem to be saying it's right that they were killed. capital punishment for petty theft, no trial necessary, that man saved Texas thousands of dollars and valuable court time, he deserves a medal.

Don't put words in other peoples' mouths, if you don't understand what I'm saying I'll type a whole lot slower for you, Captain Sphincter.

Oh shit, I think someone is robbing the bank down the street! You'd better get down there, Sphincter! Don't forget your Unity powder and Reason darts!

Hey, I've got a question for you. Does the San Francisco police commissioner fire up a Sphincter Signal for you like Commissioner Gordan fires up a Bat Signal for Batman?

just answer the question.

If I answer 'no', will I get to be your pal again? If I answer 'yes', will I have to give up my 'Tone Deft Fan Club; membership card? That would suck, because membership has had it's privledges. Getting into all the swank clubs, comps on meals, lessons in allocution & loquaciousness, complimentary rim jobs, etc. You'll probably have to look up loquaciousness before continuing. That's okay. I'll wait.


Hmm. MMm Hmm. Hm. MMM mmmm. Hum De Dum De Dum Dum.

Back already? Wow, that was fast! I guess when you're a Super Hero / Crimefighter extraordinaire you have certain talents.

I'm going to ultimately have to go with 'no'. Being labeled a Dyed In The Wool Asshole just won't do now, will it?

oh, and to both you tw@s - I've stopped several crimes and have never owned a gun.

I'm going to tell you something right now. In all seriousness. Ready? Okay.

You could take all of the assholish, douchbagiest, just plain stupid things that I've ever said or will ever say in my entire life, and it still won't hold a candle to that fucking comment of yours right there. God DAMN if that ain't just priceless, Captain Sphincter.

Some people work hard their whole lives to be the kind of Tool that seems to come so naturally to you.




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An unloaded gun is about as useful as a stick.

So what crimes is it justified to blow someone away for committing when there’s no immediate threat to other people? If burglary’s OK by many of you, how about:

Shop lifting? Same deal except it’s a business getting done.
Internet fraud? Can deprive someone of their whole livelihoods, not just their telly.
Someone crashing into your parked car and driving off without leaving insurance details?
What about drunk driving? Could kill someone you know. Best give em both barrels just in case.
Taking Class As. Supports an industry that wrecks a lot of lives. Quick before they get away.
Downloading cracked software? Actually, no. Don’t answer that one.

andydes wrote:So what crimes is it justified to blow someone away for committing when there’s no immediate threat to other people? If burglary’s OK by many of you, how about:

Shop lifting? Same deal except it’s a business getting done.
Internet fraud? Can deprive someone of their whole livelihoods, not just their telly.
Someone crashing into your parked car and driving off without leaving insurance details?
What about drunk driving? Could kill someone you know. Best give em both barrels just in case.
Taking Class As. Supports an industry that wrecks a lot of lives. Quick before they get away.
Downloading cracked software? Actually, no. Don’t answer that one.

Home burglary places one in the position of committing multiple crimes at once and unfortunately for someone caught in the act they may face deadly force. That is all this is. It is not saying that we should deal out the death penalty from the bench for thieves. Life is about choice and understanding the consequences involved with those choices. The moral here is to not allow someone else to make a choice about your own life and death.

Is this a bad position to stand for?

WY is one of the last great places. seriously. even those places that don't make it into tour books have some rough charm. definitely go. i spent a year in WY, loved it.

you can't argue these topics
- gun control
- abortion
- jesus
- death penalty

known issues with dead ends. at least we were able to shake a few more d0uche_bags out of the conservative tree.

I love how some of you are getting so macho about murder, it makes me moist.

Texas

/messing with Texas.

http://abcnews.go.com/gma

You decide...

nice link, thanks. same stance.

it's Texas, that's how they roll. there will be no representation for the deceased, put their families on the morning talk shows and see if they have to talk semantics about the difference between being shot in the back and being shot in the front.


dj superflat - you lived in northern Wyoming or the south? BIG difference. it's like living where you are now compared to living in the eastern plains of Colorado, HUGE difference.

Moody wrote:Home burglary places one in the position of committing multiple crimes at once and unfortunately for someone caught in the act they may face deadly force. That is all this is. It is not saying that we should deal out the death penalty from the bench for thieves. Life is about choice and understanding the consequences involved with those choices. The moral here is to not allow someone else to make a choice about your own life and death.

Is this a bad position to stand for?

It’s not about the guys robbing the house having the right to be protected by the law. Or even about gun control. Breaking into someone’s house carries a pretty huge risk, whether it’s being shot or having your head caved in by monkey wrench. Quite frankly, they were asking for it.

It’s about the man who shot them. He made the decision to kill them after the crime had been committed. He wasn’t protecting himself or anyone else from violence, he just decided that they deserved to die for what they had done. That’s pretty fucking twisted.

Tone Deft wrote:known issues with dead ends. at least we were able to shake a few more d0uche_bags out of the conservative tree.

God. What's next? A 'separate the men from the boys' comment?

You know, this doesn't surprise me one bit. I've been sensing for the past couple of weeks now that you were just itchin' to give me a smack down and, BAM, here it is. If you felt I was being an asshole, you should have just said that.

Calling me an asshole was rather unexpected, but after I refused to let you cornhole me down in Cabo I can't say I'm surprised. I told you at the outset that I wasn't that kind of girl.

For all your bullshit overtures about being pals and watching my back and whatever other feel good fucking shit you've come up with, I take no small comfort in the fact that you're just another forum asshole. Wouldn't have it any other way, really.


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landrvr1 wrote:You see, it's stories like this in which my Liberal tendencies run smack into a Big Fat Republican Conservative Asshole Brick Wall. Fuck those assholes. He should have shot the fuckers again for good measure, then kicked them in the balls. Motherfuckers. Fuck them. The fact that he apparently shot them in the back as they were fleeing is just adding the 'poetic' to poetic justice. Fucking douchebags.

The illegal immigrant spin that's being applied to this whole story is nothing short of appalling. Two 'poor, poor men from Columbia who both have cancer and walked all the way from Bogota and just wanted a few scraps of bread to feed their starving families were shot by a crazy white Texan. Will there be no justice for these two hard working individuals who just wanted to be American Citizens?' Please.

My neighbors can't lift a fucking finger to keep their shithole dogs from barking or discipline their tyrant fucking children once in a while, let alone kill someone for me.


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Thought I'd revisit my original post that got Tone's panties in knots and bunches.

Nowhere in that Piece of Brilliance did I say or imply that I think these guys 'deserved' what they got. That they 'deserved' to die. That's not going to stop some of you tools from making me out to be some Blood Thirsty, Gun Toting, Psychopathic Cheerleader, but this is the Internet. I can be whatever you want me to be.

Though I do regret the 'kicking them in the balls' bit. That's just overkill at this point, eh?

I stated my feelings in my typical, trademark, over-the-top style that all of you have come to know and love, this is true. Much of my reaction and subsequent post about this story stems from the near-pandemic tendency on the part of the press and blogs to completely vilify this guy, while almost totally and utterly ignoring that the two thieves were, um, thieves. I don't think Hill should have gotten off free and clear, but the legend that's now being constructed is that he's a crazed racist asshole who loves to kill people. Nevermind the fact that he doesn't seem to have any history of violence or racism whatsoever. Can't even find so much as a mention of a parking ticket, let alone some arrest in which he beat a couple of Mexicans to death.

Give this story a couple more weeks, and sure as shit the two illegal Columbians will have been raised to the level of Martyrs for The Cause. Their criminal records (already barely reported outside of Texas) will never be mentioned again, and we'll get endless poop talk about how loving and peaceful and friendly these guys were. They weren't there to ROB the place. No, they were there to see if there was any work they could do for a small fee. Mark my words.

After a bit more research one discovers that these guys were part of a burglry ring that - omfg - targeted LEGAL immigrants. Oh, the irony. Joe Hill's neighbor's, incidently, were immigrants from Vietnam. So, golly, I guess his racism only extends to the little brown people and not the little yellow ones, eh? Go figure. A discriminating racist. Who would have thunk it?

Anyone, back to the issue at hand. So many, really, but focus landrvr1, focus.

Those gentlemen didn't deserve to die for stealing a few grand, but Life's A Bitch - at least that's what Tone says, anyway.

I'm sure as shit not gonna cry like a sissy that they are no longer with us. Something tells me many of you would feel the same if it were ME that got blown away.

So much for the Sanctity of Life, eh?


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you need that many words to tell us it's ok to shoot people in the back for B&E/un-armed robbery?


That's your position. straight up. You see someone breaking into your neighbors house, no deadly weapons, go ahead and shoot em.


you don't need a whole lot of bullshit to say that. We can ignore the fact that they were illegals for the moment. What you are saying is that if you see someone breaking into your neighbors house, you have the right to blow them away. I'm saying you don't, and that has nothing to do with the right to own a gun.




OK, the moment is over, now let's revisit the illegal part. I'm not saying the guy shot them because they were not white, i'm saying that he would have had a much tougher time getting away with it if they were different people. Face it, if those guys were the sons of anybody in the community there it would be a different kind of shit storm going around right now.



i don't know why i'm even typing this, landcrab, because i don't really give a shit about you and your campaign to be both everybodies buddy and a complete fucking cunt rag.




.lm.

So you guys are all for theft huh?