Logic is better than Live

Discuss music production with Ableton Live.
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Post by trash » Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:30 pm

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Post by rozling » Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:33 pm

I've had Logic for about 3 hours now and it suxxxxx!!!

This may have something to do with the fact that I haven't actually installed it yet, but so far OMG so unprofessional!

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Post by Enrique » Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:38 pm

bencodec wrote:
duluxdog wrote:Come on then - let's hear it. Name some professionals recording full albums in Live.
Well, you wanted an artist or album, how about Daft Punks Alive 2007? Professional enough for you?
Not defending duluxdog or anything (he's completely wrong), but that's a rather poor example of what Live is capable of, especially when the point was "recording/writing" albums in Live. Exactly that wasn't the case with Daft Punk's Alive 2007. They just mashed up their most popular tracks in Live with only a few changes and added some fx (the cliché), but the main work was done in Logic over a period of 10 years. Just be careful with an argument like that ;) ...
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Post by mbenigni » Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:39 pm

I can't really speak to the Logic question as I've never used it. But as for Live vs. a traditional DAW, I've recently begun using Sonar again (64-bit support forced my hand) and I'll just say it really makes me miss the simplicity of Live.

I love the vertical bent of the Session view. It's like a traditional mixing view combined with effective transport controls. It's obviously going to fall short for the final editing of a full-length piece, but that's exactly why Arrange view exists. I personally spend most of my time in Session view, but I rarely finish recordings (and at this point I don't even really intend to.)

No matter what software you use, 80% of it boils down to familiarity, and having gotten your personal preferences, presets, clips, etc in order. But I can't shake the feeling in Sonar that I'm spending all of my time reinventing the wheel... things that just sort of automagically happen for you in Live. At the cost of flexibility? Probably. But I have yet to run into a situation where that's a problem.

Bottom line, traditional DAWs are better suited to engineers recording other musicians, and Live is better suited to a musician working alone. (Assuming of course, that that musician likes Live's workflow.)

Ah, just rambling. Verbose today...

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Post by bencodec » Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:02 pm

Enrique wrote:
bencodec wrote:
duluxdog wrote:Come on then - let's hear it. Name some professionals recording full albums in Live.
Well, you wanted an artist or album, how about Daft Punks Alive 2007? Professional enough for you?
Not defending duluxdog or anything (he's completely wrong), but that's a rather poor example of what Live is capable of, especially when the point was "recording/writing" albums in Live. Exactly that wasn't the case with Daft Punk's Alive 2007. They just mashed up their most popular tracks in Live with only a few changes and added some fx (the cliché), but the main work was done in Logic over a period of 10 years. Just be careful with an argument like that ;) ...
I can see you point, however it is just as possible to say that they just used logic to piece together the ideas they had written on an 808 and 909? I'd say that record is a pretty impressive example of what Live can do. (especially if you want examples of things Live is better then Logic at doing).
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Post by ChiDJ » Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:07 pm

Have been using DP for over a decade. Have been using LIVE since 2.0.

All my tracks in the last 5 years have been created with LIVE rewired into DP.

LIVE is as vital to my creative process as DP.

Best of Both worlds.

Using DP 5.13 on Tiger (two PPC's) LIVE 6 + MUSE Receptor. Solid.

DP is used by a huge community of House Music Producer's. (Chicago, New York, LA) A great number of BillBoard Dance hits are written in DP. (I should know. They're from my camp 8)

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Post by duluxdog » Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:16 pm

Digital Performer is quite an interesting looking piece of software. Looks popular for people working with film.

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Post by leedsquietman » Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:18 pm

DP is also popular among music for video producers and post production, for soundtracks, scoring and such.

It has a stellar reputation in that field, more so than Logic, Cubase and Sonar (Nuendo and Cubase are more popular in TV music for picture production).
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Post by terborg » Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:38 pm

i first learned on logic, i like it, still do. but using ableton is just so much more intuitive for me, it's so friendly to those who like to work with ideas on the flow and quickly. it doesn't bother me at all the live doesn't have all the options like logic. i don't master my own work and with the waves bundle mixing is fine with live. whatever sequencer you have, you have the tools to make whatever's in your head.

for those who rewire logic into DP or logic, what benefits do you see?

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Post by p8guitar » Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:40 pm

You wouldn't want the dreaded "couldn't synchronize audio and midi" error message during a live performance, would you? :twisted:

But I like Logic for arranging, recording vocals etc..
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Post by jah4life » Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:11 pm

terborg wrote:i first learned on logic, i like it, still do. but using ableton is just so much more intuitive for me, it's so friendly to those who like to work with ideas on the flow and quickly. it doesn't bother me at all the live doesn't have all the options like logic. i don't master my own work and with the waves bundle mixing is fine with live. whatever sequencer you have, you have the tools to make whatever's in your head.

for those who rewire logic into DP or logic, what benefits do you see?
I'm assuming you mean "people who rewire LIVE into DP or Logic" right?

1) I am still on Live 5.1.2, and I find the sound quality a little lacking compared to DP. Don't know why, but there is more depth to a project when I mix in DP, so I rewire individual tracks into DP and then further mix, master, render using DP. Perhaps it's because I have been working with DP for about 5 years and Live for only about 2.5 years. Also, it's quite possible that with an upgrade to Live 7, I might do most production work entirely within Live. But when it comes to recording musicians, bands, etc. for more straight ahead studio work I will definitely use DP or whatever equivalent software is available.

2) I like BOTH Live's session view and DP's sequence view for different reasons. Live is great to come up with new ideas, jam and try new things with relative ease, and I also use it exclusively for live performances. But when it comes to production, I just like the feel of a horizontal sequencer, and DP is what I learned on, so that's basically it.

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Post by terborg » Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:44 pm

yes, that's what i meant, sorry. thanks for the reply, makes sense.

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Post by uh-huh » Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:44 pm

I like them both. Just two programs to use for different reason and not counting the styles people like to work in.

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Post by Baron von Case » Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:01 am

My question is, do people use Logic in live performances? (Excuse my newbianshipity.)

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Post by cycloptic » Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:35 pm

Off the top of my head, I know that Herbie Hancock and Thomas Dolby do.


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