TTOZ wrote:So stop being an unnecessary prick.
Honestly there wasn't a single insult in my post. poking fun at your vitriol? sure. You basically stated your history while excluding the level of anger you exhibit when a DAW fails in some capacity. That's fine, but you're completely missing my main point in bringing it up, you are emotional about DAWs and their shortcomings, as plainly shown in your KVR history. This wasn't done to insult you, (though I'm not that surprised you took it that way), but to explain to people calling you 13 years old that it's more about you being a bit over the top. You also rampaged against Reaper when it came out as well. Absolutely your right, but when you're consistent in your hyper critical posting style, then you shouldn't be surprised when people notice it.
As far as bitshit, i have every right to bag it after all the lunacy that went on around the web about the wait for it and 500 page topics and people ready to "ditch ableton at a moment's notice" and all the constant talk that went on about it.. only for it to be released and the joke be on them. Once again, this is about product, bits and bytes, digital streams, and you guys turn it personal with insults. Oh, I'm 41, and rather intelligent to boot.
Well that's not true entirely,
you think it's a joke, there are plenty of people who think it's great. I'm actually with you on Bitwig for the most part, the lack of ReWire and the lack of controller support for 90% of the controllers out there unless you want to code in Java, and the CPU hit are all things that keep me in Live. To some those things aren't important and for them the features it has that Ableton doesn't are more important. Also, someone brought up Studio One in comparison, and the fact is Bitwig is about as buggy and feature poor as S1 was when it came out, three years after their company was formed. Today of course its better in some ways, but there's a reason you use Logic and I use DP, they have features we like, and why on earth would we want another traditional DAW along with our old school DAWs?
For me or you Bitwig
or Studio One are obviously inferior, but that doesn't mean it won't change at some point.
I have to completely disagree with you about the built in plug ins, especially the synth, that thing is way better than the striped down AAS plug ins in Suite, which I have no use for owning the complete AAS bundle, and far superior to the
complete lack of a synth in Live Standard. That alone gives Bitwig a huge plus, but like you I don't use many built in plug ins anyway.
I agree with you that the anticipation for Bitwig was retarded. The announcement of Bitwig Studio however did come at the same time that probably the buggiest release of Live came out, when Max 4 Live was integrated into Live 8. This is user error, I only upgrade to a new version of any software I use if I'm not doing any critical work and have no live shows coming up etc. So yeah a lot of Live users that were angry about 8 thought that Bitwig would be The Second Coming™, and of course a 1.0 release could never live up to that hype level.
Here's the kicker though, the one thing I think Bitwig have over Ableton big time is they're attempting to do everything in house so far. Live has sample libraries, Max 4 Live, the AAS instruments, other plug in instruments, licensed pitch/time algorithms etc. There's a lot of code in Live that is made by other programmers. They're all clever people for sure, but there's definitely more room for bugs in their model than Bitwigs. Mostly Bitwig stretch themselves with the three OS thing, but eventually it's very possible that their in house approach makes for long term stability that could be compared to the OS wars and one of the main talking points, that OSX running on dedicated hardware is less likely to have issues than Windows running on anything. Just like Microsoft though, Ableton have a lot of money and a bigger staff of people who do all they can to make it all run smoothly. I'm more of an impartial observer, and I will totally hound you if in a year Bitwig release ReWire, get a handle on CPU, offer a cross grade, and you start using it.
that was a bit over the top, I apologize, TTOZ