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nebulae wrote:knee (the curve of the compression at the point where it starts to compress)

nebulae wrote:

ollyb303 wrote:

nebulae wrote:If any of you get the chance to teach people how to use Live well, then DO IT...it's a great experience for both yourself and the person you help.

I'm actually running a workshop for a couple of friends who have started using Live and got pretty lost pretty quickly, later this month... Any tips?

I'd say do the following:
1. Be strict about vocabulary. Specifically, make them memorize what Session, Arrange, Clip means, and what the bottom pane tells you when you view the Properties of each. Always ask them which view they are in, and what the bottom pane is reflecting at any given moment.
2. Then approach it from a workflow perspective...what do you want to do? If it's drums programming, how do you start? If it's bass programming, what do you do? (instantiate a plug, create a midi clip, go into clip properties, draw in notes, or record notes, etc etc.) Taking a workflow angle will help people get stuff done, and discover ways to do it on their own as they build their knowledge.
3. If real basic, go back to fundamentals. What's the diff b/w midi and audio? How do you get a midi clip to generate audio? how do you manipulate and sequence audio clips like midi? Stress the vocabulary, always.
4. DO NOT go complex until they're ready. Stuff like Compression are VERY tough topics that require lots of examples and testing. Don't even mention side-chaining until they understand the difference between ratio, threshold, knee.

That should get you started.

Pitch Black wrote:^^^^^I've watched his videos and I learned nothing about being female, or indeed anything remotely related to gender reassignment surgery.

Please explain.

Opus wrote:

Pitch Black wrote:^^^^^I've watched his videos and I learned nothing about being female, or indeed anything remotely related to gender reassignment surgery.

Please explain.

it was in response to nebulea's comment about teachin' amatures about compressors... never mind.

Opus wrote:

nebulae wrote:

ollyb303 wrote: I'm actually running a workshop for a couple of friends who have started using Live and got pretty lost pretty quickly, later this month... Any tips?

I'd say do the following:
1. Be strict about vocabulary. Specifically, make them memorize what Session, Arrange, Clip means, and what the bottom pane tells you when you view the Properties of each. Always ask them which view they are in, and what the bottom pane is reflecting at any given moment.
2. Then approach it from a workflow perspective...what do you want to do? If it's drums programming, how do you start? If it's bass programming, what do you do? (instantiate a plug, create a midi clip, go into clip properties, draw in notes, or record notes, etc etc.) Taking a workflow angle will help people get stuff done, and discover ways to do it on their own as they build their knowledge.
3. If real basic, go back to fundamentals. What's the diff b/w midi and audio? How do you get a midi clip to generate audio? how do you manipulate and sequence audio clips like midi? Stress the vocabulary, always.
4. DO NOT go complex until they're ready. Stuff like Compression are VERY tough topics that require lots of examples and testing. Don't even mention side-chaining until they understand the difference between ratio, threshold, knee.

That should get you started.

Umm, don't even mention the word compressor at all. there's no need for amatures to ever touch one. all they're gonna do is destroy their sound. Every mastering engineer knows that artists who use software compressors is a big no no. Unless you're very experienced with compressors, don't touch it. I know a lot of mastering engineers who turn down songs because the artist decided to use a software compressor. Really, leave it to the pros, because 95% of the time, they will use a real compressor, and avoid software compressors completely. Not to say that software compressors aren't any good. I use T-Racks, and for the price, you can not beat it...

nebulae wrote:This is how good threads turn into flame wars.

BTW, Paddy, I LOLed.

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