The Big Three lol

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:49 am

You guys probably already know this but I just saw that the Senate smacked the auto industry's "too big to fail" shit eating grin with the "no you ain't" white glove.

Woot!

sparklepuff · Post by **sparklepuff** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:16 am

sparklepuff · Post by **sparklepuff** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:18 am

Thanks, UAW! You stubborn bunch of retarded fuck-offs.

sparklepuff · Post by **sparklepuff** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:19 am

Huffington Post wrote:General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC have said they could be weeks from collapse.

Bring it on.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:25 am

sparklepuff wrote:
Huffington Post wrote:General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC have said they could be weeks from collapse.
Bring it on.

MUAHUAHUAHUAHUAHUAHUAHUA!!!!!!!!

john gordon · Post by **john gordon** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:36 am

yup.fuck em all i say...

Emissary · Post by **Emissary** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:08 am

this is going to get messy. very messy. watch the dow today.

sparklepuff · Post by **sparklepuff** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:45 pm

Emissary wrote:this is going to get messy. very messy. watch the dow today.

??? Dow is doing it's usual business. Heck, it's up 8.84 now. You're such a "sky is falling" twit.

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:11 pm

Now that it's coming down to the wire I'm trying to have some sympathy for the common worker who really isn't responsible for the lack of management's vision.

Then I remember the common worker averages $72 an hour and they don't know how they could survive on less and I'm back to screw them all.

sparklepuff · Post by **sparklepuff** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:21 pm

beats me wrote:Now that it's coming down to the wire I'm trying to have some sympathy for the common worker who really isn't responsible for the lack of management's vision.

Then I remember the common worker averages $72 an hour and they don't know how they could survive on less and I'm back to screw them all.

That's my deal right there. Read the reason for the collapse in a deal: the UAW refused any salary concessions. It's not the greed of upper management, it's the greed of the entire establishment. I'm so thrilled to see it go. If none of you have ever had to do business with union workers you have no idea what a fucked up sham they run.

pixelbox · Post by **pixelbox** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:23 pm

WTF? Do YOU want a paycut?

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:29 pm

pixelbox wrote:WTF? Do YOU want a paycut?

My boss with multiple degrees probably makes a little less than half of what the wrench monkeys are making over there and we live one of the most expensive areas in the country, not some shit hole auto manufacturing town. They'll have to figure out how to survive.

sparklepuff · Post by **sparklepuff** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:30 pm

pixelbox wrote:WTF? Do YOU want a paycut?

I work on commission. If business sucks, I take a pay cut.

1. Hey, this business doesn't produce a profit.
2. What are we paying too much for?
3. Well, employees pretty much eat up most of the money.
4. So if the employees take a little less, then their livelihood can continue for years to come until we figure out how to make ourselves profitable.
5. Employees - "Go fuck yourselves!"
6. Business fails.

Makes sense to me.

chrysalis33rpm · Post by **chrysalis33rpm** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:24 pm

Well, back in reality, the Big 3 have huge problems aside from the way they pay their workers. In fact, the workers pay accounts for about 10% of the price of a vehicle:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/j ... -medd.html

Did you see that Sweden is bailing out SAAB and Volvo, though they are owned by Ford and GM?

Do you find it at all convenient for the Repubs in the Senate that they get to shaft the UAW right now? (The UAW has financed their opponents for generations.) Did anybody ask the employees of Citigroup to take a paycut? Why not?

Look, I'm all for creative destruction- but why does Wall Street get the cash infusion, and not Detroit?

It's a lot more complex than you're making it out- and the workers accepting the paycut is simply not the magic key to make this problem go away. (I am a freelance professional, BTW- no guarantees there!) But let 'em fail- I personally think they should be nationalized until they produce vehicle in the national interest.

But your vitriol against the those greedy union workers is nothing short of comic.

sparklepuff · Post by **sparklepuff** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:47 pm

chrysalis33rpm wrote:Did anybody ask the employees of Citigroup to take a paycut?

http://money.cnn.com/2008/11/17/news/co ... citigroup/