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beats me wrote:

LoopStationZebra wrote:touch of the down....lol. Jesus.

@beats, in addition to your fear of black people, you've got balls for starting this thread. That much needs to be said.

Can't expect to start this type topic without a fair share of "you big racist" responses. If nothing else we got to find out what other groups of people some avoid.

But lets get back to me and black people. Let's toss out all the other details and just focus on my problems with all blacks.

lol. Dude, I don't think you're racist. I don't even think you've really got issues with Black People. Issues with your Mother, perhaps, but not Black People.

Do the right thing - race relations

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOxOR3x8 ... re=related

dcease wrote:
pfft, everyone knows he's a lizard person

That's Lizard King, to you, dip.

LoopStationZebra wrote:meh.

I just think it's interesting that people respond with a lot of 'what scares ME are white cracker hicks with banjos" comments. Bizarre and kind of sad, actually.

country music lyrics, line dancing, right wing politics, gun ownership, provincialism are all examples of things that scare me about rednecks.

regarding people stopping that stop to listen to some guitar because rednecks aren't really like that...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOyDLUzAAOY <-- Top Gear in Alabama

LoopStationZebra wrote:meh.

I just think it's interesting that people respond with a lot of 'what scares ME are white cracker hicks with banjos" comments. Bizarre and kind of sad, actually.

A friggin' travesty. Besides, white cracker hicks don't play banjos anymore, not since they found out it's an instrument descended from africa. Now they just play the victim.

Can we at least agree that the white guy who frequently uses "nigga" in a casual conversation is the most misguided and possibly the scariest and most unstable of the lot?

And that nobody fears the 80's New Wave guy?

I lived in Boulder for a while, and there are just as many shady white dreadies there as I've ever met shady black people. Seriously, if I see a white dude with dreads, my immediate instinct is not to trust him, and I'm as white as anyone on this forum (having dreads is a status symbol in Colorado - it says "My parents have tons of money and I don't need to work, so I can look like shit and sell weed and coke for a living - want some coke?"). But, if I were to roll with one of my black friends up in a black neighborhood, I wouldn't trust anyone there, either. After facing situations in life where people from either race have proven to be equally shady, I give members of both races equal distance - I don't discriminate with my distrust, everyone gets it until they give me reason to feel differently, and that's where the real question lies - would you feel the same about white guy doing the same shit in the apartment next to you?

Personally, I think white people are shadier - they always seem to want to try harder than everyone else to prove something, especially if it's that they are meaner than you, and that makes them super dangerous, and stupid.

You'd definitely see where I'm coming from if you ever bounced at a white club (I don't care what anyone says, there is no such thing as a hippie younger than 55), or if you ever wandered through a parking lot at some festival generally populated by jambands, or at a rave - jesus, raves attract some of the worst people, mostly white - shady is not racial, anyone from any race can be a thieving, inconsiderate asshole.

scott nathaniel wrote:People are born, not bred. Barak Obama is a human, not a dog, o.k.

Interesting topic. Is he human or is he a part of a publicity campaign? Is he human or is he a politician that will force stuff upon people with a new, fresh angle, so they'll buy it? Is he - or IT as you would like me to call IT - another puppet or does he have his own voice? Will it matter for me? Will it matter for you? He's a politician after all!

And to be honest the issue if people breed or not has more to do with religious views then racial views (imho). Yes, in my mind, people breed like any other animal on this planet. We've just developed certain rituals around it (and I value those as well as the next guy, to be clear).

beats me wrote:

leisuremuffin wrote:first of all, we're not talking about everyone that listens to hip hop, we're talking about your black neighbors that listen to hip hop and sketch you out.


second of all, hip hop music is just hip hop music.
not all people that listen to black metal kill and eat each other even if the music says to do it and some of the musicians do.
why would you think of hip hop any differently?



.lm.

Maybe in Norway, but I haven't heard about a rash of crime happening in the US from a bunch of Black Metal fans.

and i haven't heard of a rash of crimes committed by hip hop fans.


the point i'm making is that sane people understand the difference between fantasy and reality.

just because black metal is sometimes about murder doesn't mean its listeners murder.
just because hip hop sometimes refers to crime doesn't mean its listeners are criminals.




.lm.

SimonPHC wrote:

scott nathaniel wrote:People are born, not bred. Barak Obama is a human, not a dog, o.k.

Interesting topic. Is he human or is he a part of a publicity campaign? Is he human or is he a politician that will force stuff upon people with a new, fresh angle, so they'll buy it? Is he - or IT as you would like me to call IT - another puppet or does he have his own voice? Will it matter for me? Will it matter for you? He's a politician after all!

And to be honest the issue if people breed or not has more to do with religious views then racial views (imho). Yes, in my mind, people breed like any other animal on this planet. We've just developed certain rituals around it (and I value those as well as the next guy, to be clear).

Yes
Yes
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No
Yes
Yes, he is
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Tone Deft wrote:

LoopStationZebra wrote:meh.

I just think it's interesting that people respond with a lot of 'what scares ME are white cracker hicks with banjos" comments. Bizarre and kind of sad, actually.

country music lyrics, line dancing, right wing politics, gun ownership, provincialism are all examples of things that scare me about rednecks.

regarding people stopping that stop to listen to some guitar because rednecks aren't really like that...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOyDLUzAAOY <-- Top Gear in Alabama

Line Dancing.

Brrrrrrrr. *shiver* Brrrrrr.

leisuremuffin wrote: just because black metal is sometimes about murder doesn't mean its listeners murder.
just because hip hop sometimes refers to crime doesn't mean its listeners are criminals.

just because people listen to House music, that doesn't mean they'll 'free their minds'
just because Techno encourages people to be whatever they want to be, that doesn't mean they'll be whatever they want to be.

Now, look for the difference in positivity in my sentences and yours.

SimonPHC wrote:

leisuremuffin wrote: just because black metal is sometimes about murder doesn't mean its listeners murder.
just because hip hop sometimes refers to crime doesn't mean its listeners are criminals.

just because people listen to House music, that doesn't mean they'll 'free their minds'
just because Techno encourages people to be whatever they want to be, that doesn't mean they'll be whatever they want to be.

Now, look for the difference in positivity in my sentences and yours.

You make a good point, I'll give you that

leisuremuffin wrote:

beats me wrote:

leisuremuffin wrote:first of all, we're not talking about everyone that listens to hip hop, we're talking about your black neighbors that listen to hip hop and sketch you out.


second of all, hip hop music is just hip hop music.
not all people that listen to black metal kill and eat each other even if the music says to do it and some of the musicians do.
why would you think of hip hop any differently?



.lm.

Maybe in Norway, but I haven't heard about a rash of crime happening in the US from a bunch of Black Metal fans.

and i haven't heard of a rash of crimes committed by hip hop fans.


the point i'm making is that sane people understand the difference between fantasy and reality.

just because black metal is sometimes about murder doesn't mean its listeners murder.
just because hip hop sometimes refers to crime doesn't mean its listeners are criminals.




.lm.

I'm probably tripping all over my own words at this point, but it's not just the music genre. It's the genre coupled with people's behavior, language, dress, and posturing - all promoted by the most commonly listened to style of hip hop.

I get your point about black metal but go take a look at the itunes charts and tell me where that rates. In some ways that argument could work against me because if a large portion of the population is listening to hip hop then I have a lot of people to be concerned about, but again, it's the total package.

scott nathaniel wrote:

SimonPHC wrote:

leisuremuffin wrote: just because black metal is sometimes about murder doesn't mean its listeners murder.
just because hip hop sometimes refers to crime doesn't mean its listeners are criminals.

just because people listen to House music, that doesn't mean they'll 'free their minds'
just because Techno encourages people to be whatever they want to be, that doesn't mean they'll be whatever they want to be.

Now, look for the difference in positivity in my sentences and yours.

You make a good point, I'll give you that

I second that.