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Post by forge » Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:57 am

Machinate wrote:okay, everybody seems to disagree with pez. He still managed to kll the thread, as far as I can see. :roll:

Let's get back on.. erm.. topic. In an OT-stylee, of course...
pssst...meet over in the 'bring back guest posting' thread, the discussion seems to have moved over there....but keep it under your hat! :lol:

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Post by hoffman2k » Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:49 pm

Check this clip out.

It's one of the best i've seen so far.

cheers

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Post by A DJ » Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:06 am

hoffman2k wrote:Check this clip out.

It's one of the best i've seen so far.

cheers
havent seen clips like this....but it is a good depiction off what is happening...

say hello to the NWO

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Post by djshiva » Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:02 am

hitherto wrote: But why not just pay for your own health care? If you cannot find a job that is generous enough to pay for your health care, why not take responsability and pay for it yourself? Health care is not a right it is a privalage that you earn (by working and paying for it).
read what you said. first off, most jobs do not PAY for your healthcare, they just allow you to pay reduced rates gained because of "buying in bulk". second, why not pay for it myself? because that requires the expendable income to do so. if my job isn't "generous enough" to offer me healthcare, what makes you think that they pay me generously enough to pay for it on an individual basis?

second, healthcare is a privilege? really? tell that to the rest of the industrialized nations that have access to it without it being linked to employment. the fact that we have a society that believes basic healthcare is a privilege borne through employment is enough of a statement on how sick in the collective head we have really become thanks to the spoils of capitalism.
I don't understand. You are paying for it one way or another. If you employer pays for it, it is like a raise. If the gov. pays for it, you are really paying for it through your taxes. Or, you can just pay the bill yourself like you do for everything else (rent, car, gas, internet, computer, phone). Why is health care different? Why give up control to the government and have them pay for it for you? Why not pay for it like every other bill that you pay to survive in this world.
i am an anarchist at heart, and don't truly trust the government to do much. that said, i realize that the anarchist revolution ain't comin' tomorrow, but a potential life threatening sickness just might. maybe if our government actually gave a shit about its people instead of spending our fucking tax dollars on war mongering, this country might not be such a mess of haves and have nots. i just always find it funny when people talk about healthcare being a privilege. being on the bottom teaches you that PRIVILEGE is something that the haves expect, while the rest of us have to EARN it somehow. fascinating...

the revolutionary war against the british was fought ostensibly over taxation without representation. i believe that the system we have in place is absolutely playing the "taxation without representation" game. if the government takes my fucking tax dollars, i should be able to go to the fucking doctor, instead of watching my money paying to bomb children, dontcha think?

You act as if health care will be free if the gov. has control over it. NEWS FLASH, we pay for it with higher taxes. The truth is the effective cost will be higher because there will be less competition, and our taxes will just go up.

I wish that the gov. wouldn't take the average workers taxes out of their paycheck before they recieve there money. This way we would all have to phyically write a check to the Gov. each month, and would be very consious of how much of our money they really take. They take our money in such a passive way that people don't notice that they have to pay for all of these "Plans" (the "War on Terrorism" included).
frankly, i believe that paying taxes to a system that uses them to kill people is making us all accessories to murder, passively or not. if i were given the choice to write a check every month, i wouldn't do it. maybe if they just let me keep my tax money, i could afford to buy my own healthcare.

that said, none of this addresses the fact that a system fat on the contributions of private insurance companies is bound to return the favor to those companies, and that's the fucking problem at its roots...

sorry if this was a bit of a rant, but i am fucking sick of being told that good health is a privilege ONLY FOR THOSE WHO CAN AFFORD IT. fuck that spoiled ass shit. spend some time on the bottom, then come back to me when you have a clue.
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Post by djshiva » Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:13 am

Lucid wrote:
"Democracy" - What better way to make the masses too confused to actualize the source of their frustrations than to convince them that the massively inequal distribution of wealth and power is the path they chose for themselves?
fucking brilliant!!!! :)
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Re: Are you guys fuuking kiding me?

Post by djshiva » Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:25 am

pez wrote:This is a place for people to get answers about Ableton Live. If you bog down, distract and waste people's time with off topic shiiit... they are less likely to contribute and respond to questions about Live.
i know ableton live is definitely a bigger priority for me than the abuse of power by the guy with his finger on the button, but thanks for the links anyway...
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Post by FaX-01 » Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:25 am

djshiva wrote:

sorry if this was a bit of a rant, but i am fucking sick of being told that good health is a privilege ONLY FOR THOSE WHO CAN AFFORD IT. fuck that spoiled ass shit. spend some time on the bottom, then come back to me when you have a clue.




All I can say to that is w3rd up brother.
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