Thinking about making the change to mac....

[davepermen]

oh dear is this the level of education these days?

that makes no sense what so ever


anyway....

i'll bite

what exactly in my original post isn't true?

lets see

i've built about 30 high end PC's in my time from windows in the 486 days right up to quadcore win vista machnes you know what ?

that's true.

OS X still shits on windows

that isn't, never really was

and i would rather use my mac anyday to write music than my 2 windows boxes.

might be true for you

Although they make great gaming computers ..

not really, they allow gaming, like, they allow anything. unlike macs, who restrict you to their solutions for their tiny world

my imac is pretty comparable in the price/spec ratio to a comparable dell or compaq or HP or anyother 'brand name' computer

yeah, comparable expensive, it is.

i use pcs for those features:
stability, build quality, cost worth the quality one gets
i use windows for the flexibility of the os to adapt to my needs, support for much more use cases, and for the 100% stability and performance it delivers since years.

and btw, i grew up with macs, too. since those nice grayscale "big gameboys". i would never touch them for anything i trust in. they just don't deliver anything that a typical windows machine doesn't. it only takes you away the freedom of doing what you want.

if that's what you want, lock yourself into a tiny world, then, yeah, macs are great. if all you do is start up live and browse the web, yeah, they deliver. but for that, they're too expensive, and not really good enough in hw design.

[hps909]

OS X still shits on windows...
that isn't, never really was

each to their own if you prefer digging around finding problems finding fixes and work arounds trying to resolve conflicts the sure windows is the greatest... [sarcasm]the registry in windows is the greatest invention ever to hit the personal computer[/sarcasm]..anti spyware/malware , anti virus who wants to deal with that shit???? not me ..if you just wanna get down to work and write some music with a relatively transparent OS then yes mac os shits on windows .....

and i would rather use my mac anyday to write music than my 2 windows boxes.
might be true for you
Although they make great gaming computers ..

not really, they allow gaming, like, they allow anything. unlike macs, who restrict you to their solutions for their tiny world

hardly a tiny world..you do realize there are 3rd part dev's for os X don't you? When i moved form windows to OS X i installed windows on bootcamp (something your PC's cant do legally) it lasted all of a month because you know what? there was nothing i could do in windows that i couldn't do in os x..

my imac is pretty comparable in the price/spec ratio to a comparable dell or compaq or HP or anyother 'brand name' computer
yeah, comparable expensive, it is.

not really i paid $1800 AUD for my imac now a comparable brand name (which is what mac is a brand name) computer spec for spec including a 22" LED LCD, wireless keyboard mouse and silent case came in at around the same cost you could probably build a PC from yumcha parts for maybe $200 less but you never really know if it will work untill you actually turn the thing on and you can load windows or linux on it .. then you have a nervous couple of weeks waiting to see if everything will work flawlessly with it .. there are NO GUARANTEE'S are there?

i use pcs for those features:
stability, build quality, cost worth the quality one gets
i use windows for the flexibility of the os to adapt to my needs, support for much more use cases, and for the 100% stability and performance it delivers since years.

and btw, i grew up with macs, too. since those nice grayscale "big gameboys". i would never touch them for anything i trust in. they just don't deliver anything that a typical windows machine doesn't. it only takes you away the freedom of doing what you want.

if that's what you want, lock yourself into a tiny world, then, yeah, macs are great. if all you do is start up live and browse the web, yeah, they deliver. but for that, they're too expensive, and not really good enough in hw design.

i use a mac for the same reasons and are hardly locked into a tiny world, remember they can run windows (in VM or native) as well and usually alot better than yumcha hardware ..



i have both and TBH i get more shit done with less issues in OS X.. core audio and expose' alone are worth the asking price

[starving student]

I'm really just after a stable machine - I know it will cost me more and I could get a higher spec PC for the same money but that is useless to me if I am plagued by crashes etc. I just want a stable machine that will hang around for a few years you know?

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[starving student]

OS X still shits on windows...
that isn't, never really was

each to their own if you prefer digging around finding problems finding fixes and work arounds trying to resolve conflicts the sure windows is the greatest... [sarcasm]the registry in windows is the greatest invention ever to hit the personal computer[/sarcasm]..anti spyware/malware , anti virus who wants to deal with that shit???? not me ..if you just wanna get down to work and write some music with a relatively transparent OS then yes mac os shits on windows .....

and i would rather use my mac anyday to write music than my 2 windows boxes.
might be true for you
Although they make great gaming computers ..

not really, they allow gaming, like, they allow anything. unlike macs, who restrict you to their solutions for their tiny world

hardly a tiny world..you do realize there are 3rd part dev's for os X don't you? When i moved form windows to OS X i installed windows on bootcamp (something your PC's cant do legally) it lasted all of a month because you know what? there was nothing i could do in windows that i couldn't do in os x..

my imac is pretty comparable in the price/spec ratio to a comparable dell or compaq or HP or anyother 'brand name' computer
yeah, comparable expensive, it is.

not really i paid $1800 AUD for my imac now a comparable brand name (which is what mac is a brand name) computer spec for spec including a 22" LED LCD, wireless keyboard mouse and silent case came in at around the same cost you could probably build a PC from yumcha parts for maybe $200 less but you never really know if it will work untill you actually turn the thing on and you can load windows or linux on it .. then you have a nervous couple of weeks waiting to see if everything will work flawlessly with it .. there are NO GUARANTEE'S are there?

i use pcs for those features:
stability, build quality, cost worth the quality one gets
i use windows for the flexibility of the os to adapt to my needs, support for much more use cases, and for the 100% stability and performance it delivers since years.

and btw, i grew up with macs, too. since those nice grayscale "big gameboys". i would never touch them for anything i trust in. they just don't deliver anything that a typical windows machine doesn't. it only takes you away the freedom of doing what you want.

if that's what you want, lock yourself into a tiny world, then, yeah, macs are great. if all you do is start up live and browse the web, yeah, they deliver. but for that, they're too expensive, and not really good enough in hw design.

i use a mac for the same reasons and are hardly locked into a tiny world, remember they can run windows (in VM or native) as well and usually alot better than yumcha hardware ..



i have both and TBH i get more shit done with less issues in OS X.. core audio and expose' alone are worth the asking price

a windows user should know how long windows has had expose features already

[ikeaboy]

I'm buying a secondhand MBP 2.4 C2D tomorrow after a long line of toshibas. IT BETTER JUST WORK

[starving student]

my little sister was telling my mom last night how she should get a mac cause macs don't have viruses and pcs do I just had to chuckle I guess nobody has ever googled mac virus before. I've got a mac but still it's funny to hear all of this 'it better just work' talk. All computers just work, it's when you add the phrase 'the way you want them too' on the end that it gets murky

[davepermen]

each to their own if you prefer digging around finding problems finding fixes and work arounds trying to resolve conflicts the sure windows is the greatest...

interestingly, none of these is needed on any of my systesms

[sarcasm]the registry in windows is the greatest invention ever to hit the personal computer[/sarcasm]

another myth. the registry as it was known and bad doesn't exist since years. it's virtualized to still be accessible like in old days. and why? because apps need it.

..anti spyware/malware , anti virus who wants to deal with that shit???? not me

well, me neighter, and interestingly, you don't need to. nowadays windows are very secure by default

..if you just wanna get down to work and write some music with a relatively transparent OS then yes mac os shits on windows .....

i don't care if it shits. i care that it works. use nice words please. and believe me, my systems work 15 minutes after plugging in the usb stick to install my os. after those 15 minutes i could go on stage with them, rocking ableton live 8 in any version without crashes. worked so far, on more than one system.

hardly a tiny world..you do realize there are 3rd part dev's for os X don't you? When i moved form windows to OS X i installed windows on bootcamp (something your PC's cant do legally) it lasted all of a month because you know what? there was nothing i could do in windows that i couldn't do in os x..

the macworld is tiny compared to the windows world. 1/20th of the user base. and most software IS windows. i don't say it's non-existant or something. i just say it's comparable tiny. well, i have tons of things i couldn't do in osx. or i don't care to find solutions to do the same i did before (why should i relearn everything??)

not really i paid $1800 AUD for my imac now a comparable brand name (which is what mac is a brand name) computer spec for spec including a 22" LED LCD, wireless keyboard mouse and silent case came in at around the same cost you could probably build a PC from yumcha parts for maybe $200 less but you never really know if it will work untill you actually turn the thing on and you can load windows or linux on it .. then you have a nervous couple of weeks waiting to see if everything will work flawlessly with it .. there are NO GUARANTEE'S are there?

i can get business grade quadcores with lot of ram for around 700$, with guarantees, tested drivers and configs, etc.
i can get 12" laptops.
i can get blueray support.
i can get so much, and i still pay less. i don't have to chose from the list of 3 different laptop types in some configs, the all-in-one pc or the mac pro, or the macmini. tons of options, tons of them much cheaper than any mac option at all.

i have both and TBH i get more shit done with less issues in OS X.. core audio and expose' alone are worth the asking price

well, what does core audio do? allows you to hear audio in your speakers? amazingly, all my windows boxes can do this just fine. expose is nice, but not needed for live per se (as it's one window only). and i can get it for windows just as well, for free actually. so no, it's not worth the money

but i know, one that loves mac can't even think straight. i know enough of them. they show me amazing things, i just note how often that funny colour wheel turns, or how often they just accept to wait for something to load.
and how they accept to press the power button to reset it once it's frozen again.

they're no magic. they're a tiny, closed environment. and that's why they work quite well. if they would have the market share of microsofts windows, they would be dead by now. that's why they like to stay small, closed, and so restrictive. it's the only way to not have to show how they would else fail.

and they're fine for music, right? so why did the last service pack (which you had to pay for) made so many ableton live installations suddenly instable? browse the forum if you don't believe it.

[JAMM]

happy to be in the 1/20 part who use osx...keeps it a little unique and the viruses away;)
So window users...please stay away from osx;)

[longjohns]

jesus christ with the viruses!!

nobody ever had a virus except maybe if they dl porn all day on windows 95

[3phase]

i think you pc guys are so much used to the flaws of windows pc´s that they dont hazzle you anymore..

i got one as a present lately and wanted to give it a try... got a fresh offical xp service pack 2 ..did a clean install...
after 3 weeks the machine dont allowed me anymore to switch it off.. i have to pull the plug now..

whats that? nobody was able to tell me sofar...

i measured the midi timing with mme... disgusting.. cant work with midi on such a machine..at least not me..

next thing..coping filles to the hard drive... a sample lib... on every corrupt file the thing stops the copy process and you have to find out by hand where in the 10000 items list you have to contniue ..oh man..

and besides.. the look of it causes eye cancer ..even after having little helper dogs and dancing paperclips switched off...


However.. the machine thats not connected to the internet stays in this state for month now...
even with the "hot" pluging to switch it on or off..


I know thats possible to work with pc´s.. have to do jobs on them sometimes...
but coming from a mac it actually dont feels very nice..

I would say os x is the better os.. while the hardware on a pc might be even better than the one on a mac...at least when you have the knowledge to get the good components togeteher... and the time.

i know people that had silent pcs allready when macs still was loud mosnters that neede to be placed next door...

if such good pc´s are really cheaper than a mac is another question...

I recomend going mac.. the second hand price you get when you want to go back to pc will astound you.. opposite to pc´s apples have a good second hand value..you can expect a return of 2/3 of your investion within the first 2 years... with a pc and the muddy scene around second hand pc sales this is below 50%

[Cool Character]

Hehe, sometimes Apple fanboys get so angry.

Windows 7 is pretty nice, but come on guys, you still have core audio.