Automation delay blabla, has it been fixed?

[3phase]

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[Khazul]

3phase - were those done in Reason - v3 era?

@3phase - dont go the path of I know more than you - blah blah blah - there are some folks around who *really* do know stuff very deeply from allmost every angle (pro production, real time DSP software developement, PC/mac driver and audio app/plugin delevopment, hardware audio and midi design - ie deep analog+digital electronics design experience, technical gear design and use knowledge) who quite honestly put the rest of us including you to shame when you get into such discussions...

In the end, for one reason or another, all of that knowledge and experience doesnt nescessarily make them a great recording/mix/post engineer, or sound designer, or producer, or a great writer or a great DJ, or performer or musician or whatever - they can still be as ameteur and useless as the rest of us, either at certain tasks or worse - across the board - the only difference is they probably know exactly why.

Similarly @jtdj - just because you think someone's music is shite - it doesnt mean they might not be an excellent engineer for whatever music, production styles and tools they normally work with.

Peronsally I find it really hard to do a good mix/post job of my own stuff, but can do it for others - IME alot of folks are like that. Ive come across some excellent and experienced enginners/producers who suffer the same problem badly as well - I guess its why production duos work well.

[esky]

There's an interview with Anders Trentemoeller in Future Music Issue 211. He said his second album was done in Ableton Live 8. No word about inferior sound, but some about crashes. Ongoing bitching about Live is such a waste of time. There are other daws out there, go for them...

[fx23]

@ Tone

not sure i understood whay you meant about sticky, but i tried to explain the pb in a new thread in tips and tricks.
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=160107

[Tone Deft]

post a note after this post

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... 6#p1248476

will read the rest later, busy morning...

[3phase]

3phase - were those done in Reason - v3 era?

@3phase - dont go the path of I know more than you - blah blah blah - there are some folks around who *really* do know stuff very deeply from allmost every angle (pro production, real time DSP software developement, PC/mac driver and audio app/plugin delevopment, hardware audio and midi design - ie deep analog+digital electronics design experience, technical gear design and use knowledge) who quite honestly put the rest of us including you to shame when you get into such discussions...

In the end, for one reason or another, all of that knowledge and experience doesnt nescessarily make them a great recording/mix/post engineer, or sound designer, or producer, or a great writer or a great DJ, or performer or musician or whatever - they can still be as ameteur and useless as the rest of us, either at certain tasks or worse - across the board - the only difference is they probably know exactly why.

Similarly @jtdj - just because you think someone's music is shite - it doesnt mean they might not be an excellent engineer for whatever music, production styles and tools they normally work with.

Peronsally I find it really hard to do a good mix/post job of my own stuff, but can do it for others - IME alot of folks are like that. Ive come across some excellent and experienced enginners/producers who suffer the same problem badly as well - I guess its why production duos work well.

what are you talking about? i havent questioned anybodys competence in production or mixing except the one from this dtt guy..
and he clearly called for it..

He started it by claiming that i am not qualified to give an ableton critical statements..

.. and he based that conclusion on the bad sound of tracks in the myspace player.. and therfore disqualified himself for more than one reason...

his mix actually was better than what to expect after such statements.. but not good enough to requalify again..
I am not impressed. and regardles how good or bad my mixes might sound i have the right for an opinion regarding ablton live after 10 years of use... that alone qualifies...

[seattletruth]

but having done sequenced work before the c64 has hit the road and going from there over c64..to atari to mac and actually thru more than 30 years.. inklusive having worked with allmost any kind of audio hardware in that time incl. allmost any drummachine and hard or software sequencer...I guess i became an expert..

Dude 3phase, I agree with you on a lot of your complaints about live... But you are claiming to be an expert at everything music related. Maybe you are an expert at reading spec sheets for products and understanding the technology, but -- no offense -- seriously your songs sound like somebody who just started making beats, with no knowledge of music theory at all. The other posters are right.

I think you spend too much time focusing on gear and not enough time making songs that don't suck. I'm only telling you this because you are trying to talk about how you're an expert... Ableton's limitations really are almost superfluous to making a "good" track. It might not be quite 100% as good as something in another DAW when you really get to some technical aspects that most users don't really encounter, but you should still be able to make a track that sounds "radio-ready".

And I don't claim to be an expert either, so this isn't a "my dick is bigger than yours" contest. But here's a track I finished yesterday if you wanna talk shit (i made the beat and singing / rappin).

http://soundcloud.com/cut_cutta/suck-a-d-and-die-nwo

[3phase]

but having done sequenced work before the c64 has hit the road and going from there over c64..to atari to mac and actually thru more than 30 years.. inklusive having worked with allmost any kind of audio hardware in that time incl. allmost any drummachine and hard or software sequencer...I guess i became an expert..

Dude 3phase, I agree with you on a lot of your complaints about live... But you are claiming to be an expert at everything music related. Maybe you are an expert at reading spec sheets for products and understanding the technology, but -- no offense -- seriously your songs sound like somebody who just started making beats, with no knowledge of music theory at all. The other posters are right.

I think you spend too much time focusing on gear and not enough time making songs that don't suck. I'm only telling you this because you are trying to talk about how you're an expert... Ableton's limitations really are almost superfluous to making a "good" track. It might not be quite 100% as good as something in another DAW when you really get to some technical aspects that most users don't really encounter, but you should still be able to make a track that sounds "radio-ready".

And I don't claim to be an expert either, so this isn't a "my dick is bigger than yours" contest. But here's a track I finished yesterday if you wanna talk shit (i made the beat and singing / rappin).

http://soundcloud.com/cut_cutta/suck-a-d-and-die-nwo

and who made all the ugly stuff in the background? and what you want to tell me with this fag hop excursion?

this is an example of an superior track made with ableton life? are you sure?

am i wright that you havent spend 10 years with ableton life in a hardware related setup?

and that you never have worked with other daw´s ?


PS.. and i wasnt claiming to be an expert in everything music related.. i claimed to be an expert in most things music production related. and after 39 years with that shit its quite hard to dont be an expert ..to what degree may vari but 30 years are to much to dont have a clue.

[jtdj]

but having done sequenced work before the c64 has hit the road and going from there over c64..to atari to mac and actually thru more than 30 years.. inklusive having worked with allmost any kind of audio hardware in that time incl. allmost any drummachine and hard or software sequencer...I guess i became an expert..

Dude 3phase, I agree with you on a lot of your complaints about live... But you are claiming to be an expert at everything music related. Maybe you are an expert at reading spec sheets for products and understanding the technology, but -- no offense -- seriously your songs sound like somebody who just started making beats, with no knowledge of music theory at all. The other posters are right.

I think you spend too much time focusing on gear and not enough time making songs that don't suck. I'm only telling you this because you are trying to talk about how you're an expert... Ableton's limitations really are almost superfluous to making a "good" track. It might not be quite 100% as good as something in another DAW when you really get to some technical aspects that most users don't really encounter, but you should still be able to make a track that sounds "radio-ready".

And I don't claim to be an expert either, so this isn't a "my dick is bigger than yours" contest. But here's a track I finished yesterday if you wanna talk shit (i made the beat and singing / rappin).

http://soundcloud.com/cut_cutta/suck-a-d-and-die-nwo

and who made all the ugly stuff in the background? and what you want to tell me with this fag hop excursion?

this is an example of an superior track made with ableton life? are you sure?

am i wright that you havent spend 10 years with ableton life in a hardware related setup?

and that you never have worked with other daw´s ?


PS.. and i wasnt claiming to be an expert in everything music related.. i claimed to be an expert in most things music production related. and after 39 years with that shit its quite hard to dont be an expert ..to what degree may vari but 30 years are to much to dont have a clue.

to be fair iv not even been alive 30 years but ill tell what i do know alot about: pistachio nuts; salted, roasted, raw, u name it; i know it! fresh!

[3phase]

to be fair iv not even been alive 30 years but ill tell what i do know alot about: pistachio nuts; salted, roasted, raw, u name it; i know it! fresh!

good for you..but what has this whole "my tracks are better than yours" has to do with this thread?
And you started this bullshit.
This has nothing to do with my opinion about ableton life, you havent contradicted a single of my statements ..you just called me unqualified because you think my music sucks..

but to tell you the truth..thats a matter of taste,, yours sucks truly for me too.. it is the stuff that calls for a skip..
and just in refference along the timeline i am really not too worried about the soundquality of my tracks you linked here . first..the klang der familie one was made 20 years ago... it was pretty fresh back than.. and its technical the best sounding one from the myspace tracks because its actually mixed. Was arranged in a midi work station and therfore mixable-. all others are live runoffs.. they are like the desk was setted during the runoff..Opposite to that--when somebody is booking me for a mix i spend the whole day on one track..

i dont have the time for that on own tracks.. klang der familie was mixed in 2 hours...than i was forced to leave the studio .. and rota was completly produced in 3 hours.. .. sounds ok for me..and booth tracks still appear from time to time in a club or radio... so the soundquality somehow got the proove of time for beeing allwright.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5G75CKE ... re=related
that is a mix i was payed for..not the final version a side version.. but they forgot to give me credits for that and so they gave me credits instead on teh secondary release :-/

anyway... this is even older than kdf.. 1990...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK8K8J1B ... re=related
thats a crippled version of the final version but inside a dj mix for a vido compilation..pitched faster and not as good sounding as the original cut....but a good mix surrives any bad treatment somehow..worked great on a 20 k turbo sound system..

[jtdj]

to be fair iv not even been alive 30 years but ill tell what i do know alot about: pistachio nuts; salted, roasted, raw, u name it; i know it! fresh!

good for you..but what has this whole "my tracks are better than yours" has to do with this thread?
And you started this bullshit.
This has nothing to do with my opinion about ableton life? you havent contradicted a single of my statements ..you just called me unqualified because you think my music sucks..

but to tell you the truth..thats a matter of taste,, yours sucks truly for me too.. it is the stuff that calls for a skip..
and just in refference along the timeline i am really not too worried about the soundquality of my tracks you linked here . first..the klang der familie one was made 20 years ago... it was pretty fresh back than.. and its technical the best sounding one from the soundcloud tracks because its actually mixed. Was arranged in a midi work station and therfor mixable-. all others are live runoffs.. they are like the desk was setted during the runoff..Opposite to that--when somebody is booking me for a mix i spend the whole day on one track..

i dont have the time for that on own tracks.. klang der familie was mixed in 2 hours...than i was forced to leave the studio .. and rota was completly produced in 3 hours.. .. sounds ok for me..and booth tracks still appear from time to time in a club or radio... so the soundquality somehow got the proove of time for beeing allwright.

that is a mix i was payed for..not the final version a side version.. but they forgot to give me credits for that and so they gave me credits instead on teh secondary release :-/

anyway... this is even older than kdf.. 1990...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5G75CKE ... re=related

honestly mate i dont actually care. u said live was no more than a toy i said it wasnt, that led to u claiming u had more production knowledge in your small toe than i'll ever have, thats why i used my track & ur tracks to prove u wrong; i dont like ur constant attitude that you know better than everyone else, like ur a bona-fide professinal; why dont you get off ur pedestal and join the rest of us on ground level? u have a massive chip on ur shoulder mate, seriously, for someone of your age, u appear very bitter and childish.

[seattletruth]

and who made all the ugly stuff in the background? and what you want to tell me with this fag hop excursion?

The "ugly stuff in the background".. u mean the sound effects that the whole industry uses? lol

this is an example of an superior track made with ableton life? are you sure?

That wasn't exactly the point. I just said in the post above that this wasn't a dick-measurement contest. I felt that if I'm talking shit about your music then I should atleast post up something I did with risk of looking like a coward, though. And the track was really a parody of pop music, so calling it "fag hop" doesnt carry much of an insult... I make gangster shit too..

am i wright that you havent spend 10 years with ableton life in a hardware related setup?

Exactly. I've used ableton for 2 months.

and that you never have worked with other daw´s ?

Yep, this is my first DAW.


BUT.. The point is I still KNOW what limitations Live has. I'm not dissagreeing with you there. Live has a lot of shortcomings (and probably a lot worse with hardware). BUT I'm saying those shortcomings won't stop you from producing a dope ass track.

Its just ironic to me that you claim to be such an expert but your beats are so elementary. You really can't blame ableton for them sounding like shit... maybe you just like to use ableton as an excuse.

PS.. and i wasnt claiming to be an expert in everything music related.. i claimed to be an expert in most things music production related. and after 39 years with that shit its quite hard to dont be an expert ..to what degree may vari but 30 years are to much to dont have a clue.

Then whey do your beats sound like it was made by someone that just downloaded the demo version for the first time?

Like I said, you spend too much time focusing on little quables with the GUI that "hurt your workflow" instead of spending time to actually work and make stuff that doesn't sound like its made in fruity loops...

[3phase]

honestly mate i dont actually care. u said live was no more than a toy i said it wasnt, that led to u claiming u had more production knowledge in your small toe than i'll ever have, thats why i used my track & ur tracks to prove u wrong; i dont like ur constant attitude that you know better than everyone else, like ur a bona-fide professinal; why dont you get off ur pedestal and join the rest of us on ground level? u have a massive chip on ur shoulder mate, seriously, for someone of your age, u appear very bitter and childish.

its defently shildish to answer to offences from guys like you.. the typical fanboy..

besides.. i havent critzised lifes soundquality here.. i critizised the long time they need to adress such issues as the automation latency.. they have a clearly "shiny new features before detail fixes" politic.,
thats obvious..

i actually dont care much on the automation latency issue because i stopped to try mixing in life years ago..
i just use it as stage tool and for loop creation.. but once i hasd the idea to do evrything in life as main and singular daw on my computer.. But just the last year with L8 showed clearly that this stays wishfull thinking..

[3phase]

Yep, this is my first DAW.


BUT.. The point is I still KNOW what limitations Live has.

I'm not dissagreeing with you there. Live has a lot of shortcomings (and probably a lot worse with hardware). BUT I'm saying those shortcomings won't stop you from producing a dope ass track.

you dont had the time to get grumpy and feel the pain of running into the same limitations and problems for year after year after year... that builds up..wait and see.. the first few years it was easier to live with abletons drawbacks than 10 years after..


Then whey do your beats sound like it was made by someone that just downloaded the demo version for the first time?


actually your beats sound like preset loops here..are they preset loops?
my was the try to be at least not too boring in times where most beats was just bang bang bang ufta ufta ufta.. and when you compare them with other early 90´s stuff they are defently not inferior..
however..i am no drummer and never considred my beats especially good.. i allways liked to cooperate with drummers for that purpose...but this again has nothing to do with the quality of a daw..
and if.. life is really no fun for beatwriting with this piano roll editor..

thats exactly a point where any old drummachine does better and most other daw´s come with dedicated drum editors that allow to have independend grids per instrument for example.. or step sequencers..

also a place where ableton can improove.. they are defently not very good equiped on the sequence creation side.
fruity loops is much stronger there for example..logic too.. cubase aswell..
life is rather a playback manipulation tool in this regard than an authoring sequencer.

[seattletruth]

actually your beats sound like preset loops here..are they preset loops?

Lol... no dude. i made it from scratch. don't use any loops here... Sorry it sounds so "industry" to you. Actually that's a compliment I suppose, thats what i was aiming for... and like i also said the song was a PARODY of pop music. U know what that word means right? It means it's a joke/copy... But chicks still love it, so oh well..

Here's a beat that I made 2 days ago thats more of my true style, if you wanna critique that http://soundcloud.com/cut_cutta/dvorak

my was the try to be at least not too boring in times where most beats was just bang bang bang ufta ufta ufta..

I dont know if you've listened to popular r&b / rap music these days but it's all like that, buddy... i don't make dance music / IDM.

thats exactly a point where any old drummachine does better and most other daw´s come with dedicated drum editors that allow to have independend grids per instrument for example.. or step sequencers..

also a place where ableton can improove.. they are defently not very good equiped on the sequence creation side.
fruity loops is much stronger there for example..logic too.. cubase aswell..
life is rather a playback manipulation tool in this regard than an authoring sequencer.

No, this is exactly MY point. You talk about how live is not a good creation too, when you have no right to even talk, because your "creations" suck regardless of the DAW.

Lots of people make lots of really good shit in live, and even though they also know the limitations of live, they are not "unworkable". Instead they just focus on writing and get it done by working around the limitations or just getting used to them... Not the perfect situation, but it's ridiculous to call it a "toy" when you can't produce beats that would require more than a "toy".

And for the last time.. I wasn't even trying to say "my song is better than your song".. I just didnt want to look like a coward and show I'm not ashamed of it... and actually people are loving that shitty pop song parody, i posted it on youtube yesterday if u wanna read the comments lol..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJX7dHYE_ms

actually people like it so much its already bein reuploaded on the internet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46GZPtx4meQ

i guess i should just quit cuz i suck and nobody likes me or my beats